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Babs on PBS...
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The Question
Eternal
I didn't know you were a marksman, 6, but by the god I don't even believe in, you just nailed Friday di-rectly between the eyes. Nice shot.
Friday
Bazinga!
Oh, you have to credit Ms. Streisand as the extraordinary talent she is.Number_6 said:
Do you know what an incredible voice she must have to allow me to overlook lyrics such as:
My Man
by: Barbra Streisand
Oh, my man, I love him so, he'll never know
All my life is just despair, but I don't care
When he takes me in his arms
The world is bright, all right...
What's the difference if I say I'll go away
When I know I'll come back on my knees someday
For whatever my man is, I am his forever more
Politics aside, you have to admit her talent....
The Question
Eternal
Friday said:
I'm sorry, but what talent are you referring to? You posted lyrics, so is it her songwriting that you're trying to show off? Honestly, I've seen 10 year olds come up with better lyrics than that.
Number_6
beer, I want beer
Friday said:
That's just a fucking retarded response.
Devotion to another human being isn't anti-feminist, even if the devotion flows from female to male.
Get over the 60s shit. You reveal only your own ideological rigidity when you post here, and your inability to think outside very narrow confines.
Friday
Bazinga!
The song implies that the woman singing wouldn't be complete without "her man", to the point where if she leaves, she'd even take the subservient position and come back on her knees.Number_6 said:
She's saying she doesn't have a life unless he's there. Pure victimized rubbish.
C'mon, 6. Would you want a woman that needs you to make her feel as if she's complete? Or would you rather a woman who has a strong sense of self, yet you ADD to her completeness?
You've stated that you left a weak woman for a strong woman. Why?
Friday
Bazinga!
P.S. Devotion to another human being IS a beautiful thing. Unless that devotion stems from a lack of personal self worth. Then I'd suggest working on yourself before entering any type of relationship.
I assume you see nothing wrong with THESE lyrics, either...
You're Havin' My Baby
by: Paul Anka
Havin' my baby
What a lovely way of sayin'
How much you love me
Havin' my baby
What a lovely way of sayin'
What you're thinkin' of me
I can see it, face is glowin'
I can see in your eyes
I'm happy you know it
[Both:]
That you're havin' my baby
[Paul:]
You're the woman I love
And I love what it's doin' to ya
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Paul:]
You're a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through ya
[Paul:]
The need inside you
I see it showin'
Whoa, the seed inside ya
Baby, do you feel it growin'
Are you happy you know it
That you're
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what it's doin' to me
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
[Paul:]
Didn't have to keep it
Wouldn't put ya through it
You could have swept it from you life
But you wouldn't do it
No, you wouldn't do it
[Both:]
And you're havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what it's doin' to me
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
[Paul:]
Havin' my baby (havin' my baby)
What a lovely way of sayin'
How much you love me
[Paul:]
Havin' my baby
(havin' my baby)
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
I assume you see nothing wrong with THESE lyrics, either...
You're Havin' My Baby
by: Paul Anka
Havin' my baby
What a lovely way of sayin'
How much you love me
Havin' my baby
What a lovely way of sayin'
What you're thinkin' of me
I can see it, face is glowin'
I can see in your eyes
I'm happy you know it
[Both:]
That you're havin' my baby
[Paul:]
You're the woman I love
And I love what it's doin' to ya
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Paul:]
You're a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through ya
[Paul:]
The need inside you
I see it showin'
Whoa, the seed inside ya
Baby, do you feel it growin'
Are you happy you know it
That you're
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what it's doin' to me
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
[Paul:]
Didn't have to keep it
Wouldn't put ya through it
You could have swept it from you life
But you wouldn't do it
No, you wouldn't do it
[Both:]
And you're havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what it's doin' to me
[Both:]
Havin' my baby
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
[Paul:]
Havin' my baby (havin' my baby)
What a lovely way of sayin'
How much you love me
[Paul:]
Havin' my baby
(havin' my baby)
[Odia:]
I'm a woman in love
And I love what's goin' through me
Number_6
beer, I want beer
No, I don't.
It's amazing to me that you cannot see how judgmental you are. You have decided what is the proper way for a woman to behave, what a woman's proper values are, etc. And then you get up on your feminist high-horse whenever a woman CHOOSES to see things differently.
Just the kind of shit I expect from the far left, really. A woman has the right to choose, provided she chooses what you, in your infinite wisdom, would have chosen were you in her place.
That's your problem with the IWF website--they've chosen to be women without all the hate, without all of the needless politicization of the relationship between men and women, without automatically proceeding on assumptions that are either 30 years out of date or were never based on fact in the first place. But you get off on all that politics and gender shit. Makes you feel empowered. Oh, it's a false sense of empowerment, to be sure, but what the fuck do you care? So long as you FEEL it, reality doesn't matter. 1 + 1 = 1, and all that bullshit.
God help that poor girl you've been hired to raise. You're going to bring her up to be one fucked up little girl by passing all your baggage on to her. Is that really what you want?
It's amazing to me that you cannot see how judgmental you are. You have decided what is the proper way for a woman to behave, what a woman's proper values are, etc. And then you get up on your feminist high-horse whenever a woman CHOOSES to see things differently.
Just the kind of shit I expect from the far left, really. A woman has the right to choose, provided she chooses what you, in your infinite wisdom, would have chosen were you in her place.
That's your problem with the IWF website--they've chosen to be women without all the hate, without all of the needless politicization of the relationship between men and women, without automatically proceeding on assumptions that are either 30 years out of date or were never based on fact in the first place. But you get off on all that politics and gender shit. Makes you feel empowered. Oh, it's a false sense of empowerment, to be sure, but what the fuck do you care? So long as you FEEL it, reality doesn't matter. 1 + 1 = 1, and all that bullshit.
God help that poor girl you've been hired to raise. You're going to bring her up to be one fucked up little girl by passing all your baggage on to her. Is that really what you want?
The Question
Eternal
Friday said:
*pisses on the 1970s' grave*
Friday
Bazinga!
Alrighty, then. Let's dance, shall we?
You still haven't answered my question. I remember your words without looking them up they impressed me so much, "I have a strong woman, and I left a weak woman to get to her". Why?
I speak from experience. I've been told (by women) that I would never amount to anything. I had something to prove, and I proved it. It wasn't easy for me, but in the end I like the person I've become, and I'm indebted to no one.
My little girl (I'll call her Mary) is one of the brightest, most intuitive 10 year olds I have ever met. She has had to overcome some obstacles in her young life (as you well know), and has developed an almost precocious sense of self. Yes, I do let her know that she is ultimately in charge of her body, and her life. She knows being a girl (and woman) means being able to do accomplish anything she sets her mind to. "Victim" is not, and will never be, in her vocabulary. She's seen her mother, despite some obstacles of her own, pull herself up from nothing (because she depended on her deadbeat husband) to being the CEO of a medium sized business. They went from having to ask for money for school clothes, to her mom buying a boat just recently. Mary has learned, thru experience, that one makes one's life. You cannot depend on anyone for it. This lesson is not gender specific, yet it is empowering. So don't worry about Mary. She will be just fine, thanks.Number_6 said:
I am not judgemental. A woman can behave any way she chooses. If she chooses to take control of her life, kudos to her. If she chooses to be someone's doormat, that is unfortunate, yet still her choice.
Honestly, I wouldn't enter into a relationship with anyone that doesn't have a strong sense of self (Don't remind me. That was an anomaly). If someone needs me to feel complete, if someone doesn't know who they are without me, I would question the equality in the relationship, whether it be with a man or woman. It wouldn't be a healthy relationship, therefore it would be doomed to fail (20/20 hindsight).
You still haven't answered my question. I remember your words without looking them up they impressed me so much, "I have a strong woman, and I left a weak woman to get to her". Why?
What makes me feel empowered is having control of my own life. My choices, whether they be good or bad, are my own to make. Yes, I realize that in a way I'm taking away a woman's choice to depend on a man for her happiness and survival. And, yes, maybe I am judging those women as not trying hard enough to be whole. But, dammit, everyone deserves to be a complete person in their own right.
I speak from experience. I've been told (by women) that I would never amount to anything. I had something to prove, and I proved it. It wasn't easy for me, but in the end I like the person I've become, and I'm indebted to no one.
Number_6
beer, I want beer
No one in a relationship has complete control over their own life. That's the nature of being in a relationship, and perhaps that's part of the reason why you aren't in one right now.
My wife is a strong woman. But she's also a part of this relationship, and that means not playing feminist power games with me 24/7. She depends on me, and I depend on her. It's give and take.
Judging from your initial responses to many, many things, you are incapable of this sort of give and take, because any man who takes or who asks you to give must necessarily be some patriarchal gender enemy.
And that's sad.
My wife is a strong woman. But she's also a part of this relationship, and that means not playing feminist power games with me 24/7. She depends on me, and I depend on her. It's give and take.
Judging from your initial responses to many, many things, you are incapable of this sort of give and take, because any man who takes or who asks you to give must necessarily be some patriarchal gender enemy.
And that's sad.
Friday
Bazinga!
There are some things I am not willing to give up, control over my independence being one of them. What makes you think I'm not in a relationship?Number_6 said:
I am happy for you both. However, if you are implying I play feminist power games, you are incorrect.
Oh, now that just ain't right. You know I'm learning to give and take. I have no problem giving myself to a man who lets me keep my own identity. The rule: my space first, then our space.
Now who's being judgmental?
Number_6
beer, I want beer
Friday said:
Judgmental? Hardly. Just pointing out a fact about human interpersonal relationships.
Oh, but I forgot. You don't believe in facts, do you? You believe that you can magically circumvent them, because you need to feel human, or whatever the fuck explanation you provided for why the laws of mathematics should bow down before the feelings of PBM. Arrogant much?
Sorry, "my space first, then our space" doesn't make for a real relationship. If you live together, you have to share space, and your identity begins to slowly alter. You can't be everything you were when you were single. And you don't want to be everything you were when you are single. Amazingly, PBM, the person who cares about all God's creatures, appears incapable of really giving of her self. Well, what a surprise. Typical leftist hypocrisy. Give, but never the stuff you really treasure.
And what's really funny is, were a man to come in here and spout the absolute bullshit you're spouting, you'd have a feminist hissy fit. No strong woman would put up with that shit from a man, and no strong man would put up with that shit from a woman. Cuts both ways. Get used to it, because that's reality. Your feminist fantasy world is never going to exist, because it would require that men be willing give up their complete selves so women like you can have everything while giving up nothing.
If you're in a healthy relationship, you give up some of your independence. Sorry, but it's inevitable. But you do it willingly. This act of will seems beyond you, because it conflicts with your need to prove yourself to whatever demons lurk in your memory. Your problem, but the world doesn't have to deal with it. We can tell you to piss off. Get used to it. That's reality.
Friday
Bazinga!
Okay, you bastard. You asked for it...
It's pretty easy sitting on your couch, spouting psuedo insightful shit, when you are three sheets to the wind, half the time. Damn, even your custom user title reflects your current state of inebriation. I suggest watching the film, Days Of Wine And Roses, with Jack Lemmon. It might be painful to screen, due to the fact that it'll be like watching home movies. But the closer you get to admitting you're an alcoholic, the faster you can do something about it.
Remember, YOU opened the drawer first, this time....
It's pretty easy sitting on your couch, spouting psuedo insightful shit, when you are three sheets to the wind, half the time. Damn, even your custom user title reflects your current state of inebriation. I suggest watching the film, Days Of Wine And Roses, with Jack Lemmon. It might be painful to screen, due to the fact that it'll be like watching home movies. But the closer you get to admitting you're an alcoholic, the faster you can do something about it.
Remember, YOU opened the drawer first, this time....
Number_6
beer, I want beer
Friday said:
Yawn. I haven't had a drink all day. Latte with breakfast, San Pelligrino the rest of the day (I will confess to a mild addiction to mineral water), save for a Vitamin Water at the gym (Dragonfruit flavor, whatever the hell that is). Had a glass of Chardonnay with the salmon last night, and two glasses the night before with some pasta fagioli. The last time I had a cocktail was Friday night, I think. Might have been Thursday. The last time I was drunk was months ago, and it was the fault of our gracious host, who provided me with far too many interesting wines to sample. Should have spit in the bucket, but I didn't have to drive, so . . .
The "alcoholic" bit is a act, dearie. With the amount of reading and grading I have to do on a daily basis, do you really think I could spend all my time under the influence? Student essays are difficult enough to follow, let alone the dreaded literary criticism.
Oh, I enjoy a drink as much as the next person, and I think that the whole "chemistry set" aspect of mixing drinks is fun. I also think that a glass of wine is an important part of a nice dinner. But an alcoholic? I think not.
As for my pseudo-insight, have you ever stopped to think that perhaps a combination of leading an interesting and eventful life and spending a great deal of time reading the fictional and non-fictional accounts of the lives of others might have provided me with just a bit of insight into the human condition? One doesn't engage in such deep encounters with the minds of others without starting to get a feel for people.