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Grandtheftcow

Grand Wizard of TK
QueenTiye said:
Today I wanted to post a topic at Ex Isle. The topic was going to be somewhat personal, of course not overly so, but certainly personal enough for me to want to share it in a (relatively) safe environment. The recent trolling activities however, caused me to change my mind. I don't want to share my personal experiences, even dressed up for outside, with people who take pleasure in manipulating or otherwise upsetting other people. I hadn't really realized how "unsafe" I'd begun to feel. I haven't felt this unsafe online since the whole FMD incident back on SSBBS.

Anyway - I won't make a long to-do over this. I'm just gonna check out for a hwile. But - if there is any truth to the comments made by Bad Robot that the trolling stuff was just to have fun, and if there was any sincerity to the apology for making a real person feel bad, etc., then here's another casualty to consider. A place that once felt safe now does not.

Take care all.

QT

From here.

Such a naive view to have when posting on a message board. After reading the thread I posted this thread.

My view is that on a message board it is inevitable to face another member who will use information about you to attack you or to try and gain the upper hand, whether that information is true or not. It’s a natural part of message board posting and if you don’t like it then stay with your friends. At least when they do the same to you it won’t be a public display.

So D.Rabbit you wanted to take me on troll to troll, that’s do it where we don’t have to pretend to be nice.
 
I disagree that it's a natural part of bulletin board posting, GTC.

Having chosen to immerse yourself in trolling, you've lost perspective. Members using information to attack does happen, but the practice isn't as prevalent as you think.

We inhabit but a small corner of the world wide web.
 
In every forum you will find examples of members using whatever information they have on another member sprinkling that info along with an argument. Whether it is about that member’s age, race, or opinions not related to the topic, whatever that member reveals about themselves can and will be used against them at some point.

Its not just message board behavior, its human behavior.
 
Obviously I've seen this occur firsthand, and I don't frequent enough bulletin boards to prove or disprove what you're saying.

You may be right.
 
Grandtheftcow said:
My view is that on a message board it is inevitable to face another member who will use information about you to attack you or to try and gain the upper hand, whether that information is true or not. It’s a natural part of message board posting and if you don’t like it then stay with your friends. At least when they do the same to you it won’t be a public display.

So D.Rabbit you wanted to take me on troll to troll, that’s do it where we don’t have to pretend to be nice.

I'm here, I can see your point, but it's not polite or very productive.
Slinging mud whether it is true or not, is low.

I am of the opinion that this is a planet populated by the insane, I am here because I refuse to give up my ego and become a goody two shoes out in the mind numbing peace of Nirvana, the same as the rest of us who prefer to create. That in reality, there are no rules, it's a dog eat dog world, but I'm not a dog. (A bitch maybe, in the way that I don't stand for BS or mud in my face.)

The thing I'd like to try to get across to you, is that there is nothing to gain by mud slinging, it puts you in a poorer light than your opponent. Especially when your falsehoods are revealed.

When I watch political campaign ads where the blues are attacking the reds and vise versa without the benefit of telling me what they are going to do for me for the money they have spent to make their opponents look bad, then I'm definitely not going to give them my vote to squander my tax money. They have proven that they don't know how to effectively gain my trust with their allotted budgets. Only a fool would vote for a party that would waste funds in this type of campaign.

You have your point and mine are just as strong against this type of debate.
It's a matter of human evolution, are we going to continue to be barbarians or is there ever any hope of us rising above despicable practices to the altruistic visions of a future where integrity is paramount?
Are we ever going to be civilized? Creative debating, that's a skill that one should try to master. Hitting below the belt is a losers technique and most of us see it for what it is.

Answer me this if you would, (to yourself, for I shall not be returning to this thread) do you want your legacy to read, "He was a real miserable loser slime ball." or "Here lies a joyous person who loved and nurtured their fellow inmates."?
 
Grandtheftcow said:
From here.

Such a naive view to have when posting on a message board. After reading the thread I posted this thread.

My view is that on a message board it is inevitable to face another member who will use information about you to attack you or to try and gain the upper hand, whether that information is true or not. It’s a natural part of message board posting and if you don’t like it then stay with your friends. At least when they do the same to you it won’t be a public display.

So D.Rabbit you wanted to take me on troll to troll, that’s do it where we don’t have to pretend to be nice.

Inevitable in the sense that you mentioned in your next post...yeah. People are going to remember personal information about you and bring it up in future conversations.

I think QT meant that sensitive information about herself...ie: information that could cause her emotional pain if it were twisted or thrown back in her face...could be mishandled by trolls.

I found this interesting, because I've always thought of QT as one of the more emotionally mature posters at EI. I was as surprised by her post as anyone there. It just didn't sound like her line of reasoning. If I were a betting man, I'd be more inclined to say she was disgusted with the atmosphere of EI in general. It's easier to blame the trolls for your departure than to tell a community in which you've posted for three years that they suck.

Is she back, btw? I can't be bothered to go over there much these days.
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Inevitable in the sense that you mentioned in your next post...yeah. People are going to remember personal information about you and bring it up in future conversations.

I think QT meant that sensitive information about herself...ie: information that could cause her emotional pain if it were twisted or thrown back in her face...could be mishandled by trolls.

I found this interesting, because I've always thought of QT as one of the more emotionally mature posters at EI. I was as surprised by her post as anyone there. It just didn't sound like her line of reasoning. If I were a betting man, I'd be more inclined to say she was disgusted with the atmosphere of EI in general. It's easier to blame the trolls for your departure than to tell a community in which you've posted for three years that they suck.

Is she back, btw? I can't be bothered to go over there much these days.

She’s back at EI now.

The thought had occurred to me that her post was simply an excuse to leave the board for whatever real reason she has for it, and it is far easier to blame the trolls rather than accuse the membership and staff of ignoring the posts and ideas of fellow members.

D.Rabbit said:
The thing I'd like to try to get across to you, is that there is nothing to gain by mud slinging, it puts you in a poorer light than your opponent. Especially when your falsehoods are revealed.

Even though it is a fallacy to attack and show your opponent in a poorer light other members who are watching will pick up on those attacks and may take them as truth. It is a risky way to debate but it does often work.
 
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