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Calling the Question Redux...

Volpone

Volpone

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Initially, when I started the "Calling the Question" poll, my intent was to do one on whether Wordforge would ever get fixed or not. Then I realized maybe everyone didn't think Wordforge NEEDED to be fixed. While the results haven't been as strong as I'd hoped (the poll is still open for a few more days), a pretty large percentage of the people who've voted have said that there are problems at Wordforge that need fixing.

So the next question is, do you think those problems will GET fixed? Oh, sure, there will be changes. To date the rules on rep for moderators have been changed and the number of people on staff is getting pared down. But do you think the changes will actually fix the fundamental problem (if you think there IS a "fundamental problem") or will they just be cosmetic changes to placate the Masses?

Yes or no and why. Poll good for ten days.
 
I don't think Wordforge will be fixed. I feel that there are fundamental issues of trust with the current core staff. It turns out they've misrepresented things on many occasions and, by staging a coup based on theft of the database, have raised character and trust issues for me.

Every time we've been told our opinions mattered, I feel that we've been given lip service, but ultimately ignored. The only way they get considered is when things get so bad that the future of the board is in jeopardy and unless board ownership changes hands to someone that hasn't been involved in the recent scandals, nothing will really change.
 
No. In it's present state, Wordforge will cease to be a viable board.

The people who have the most influence on that board have acted unethically not only to obtain it, but also in organizing mass campaigns to weed out undesirables. The very people posting here have been involved with these campaigns in the past, so they know I speak the truth.

As I've said, eventually TPTB will run out of people to chase away, and all that will be left is a small core of identically minded trolls.
 
The problem is that the very ownership of Wordforge is based on a lie. That is no foundation for demonstrating trustworthiness. I think many on the rump staff are good choices, but at heart, you still have the two guys who stole borgs' database, then blackmailed him into "selling."
 
I do not think that WF will be fixed under its current ownership. In my opinion the current ownership is not so much concerned with WF itself but the perception people have with him. He seems to only hire or empower people to work for him that in the end will follow him with little to no questioning of him. At least that is my perception after reading through some of the shelter threads.

When I read some of his responses to suggestions made by the membership in the gather round thread about needing to "sell" him on ideas, that indicates to me the entire thread is something being done to go through the motions and appear as if there is interest in what the membership would like to see happen, but really no interest in making the changes that are suggested.

The nature of WF I think takes something out of the people who own and run it. After a period of time they become tired of the level of activity that is WF. Maybe its a good thing for ownership and control to change every so often.
 
I do not think wordforge will be fixed, though it does have problems. I also believe the view that Wordforge on the verge of death are wrong too. Look at all the people posting still. There are about 3 people who won't post at WF anymore (Tex and who else? Volpone? Sorry guys)

I also believe there is no point in starting a new board. If you do, you'll be wasting money since you won't get many members from Wordforge over there, and you PROBABLY won't have bought vBulletin and have installed all the hacks. (Also, how do you find as good tech admins as Nick and O2C? He may not be a good policy admin, but he does a DAMN fine job of being a Tech Admin)

While I don't think Wordforge will be fixed IMO, that doesn't necessarily mean it won't be, so I figure I will try and get them to change something or other.

1) What ticked me off most is that Storm was let in and immediately got two warnings, but that face got probation. So, I propose that every member who gets banned and comes back should get a 6 month or so probation period. That way they wouldn't come back and immediately start stirring shit like Storm.

2) Moderator elections. I am not saying for the entire board, just for the Red Room. I think we should have two mods for the RR. Elections should be held every 2 months, and the people should have a nomination. Either that, or the people nominate their candidate and the current staff pick who they want more.

3) Take away the registration approval unless you're going to have someone check it every other night or so. It takes almost a week to get in, not counting "Accidentally" deleted registrants. This could be scaring off new members since it takes way too long. JoshC only waited because he still knows some people at WF and wanted to start posting there again. Most totally new people won't care and won't have the motivation to want to post at WF. I mean, you say it's to keep out the spambots, but you have the image verification AND the email already. That should be enough, don't you think? And if it's because you want to keep out duals, aren't they allowed?

4) Define "Trolling without prior contribution." What IS prior contribution? What does it take to have contributed? This is a rule that can be taken advantage of very easily (by trolls trying to troll wordforge too.)
 
foil1212 said:
I also believe there is no point in starting a new board. If you do, you'll be wasting money since you won't get many members from Wordforge over there, and you PROBABLY won't have bought vBulletin and have installed all the hacks. (Also, how do you find as good tech admins as Nick and O2C? He may not be a good policy admin, but he does a DAMN fine job of being a Tech Admin)
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I only speak for myself by saying this, but the attraction to WF wasn't for all the hacks installed there. Frankly, if that's the best thing it had to offer, I would have thought twice before sticking around.

4) Define "Trolling without prior contribution." What IS prior contribution? What does it take to have contributed? This is a rule that can be taken advantage of very easily (by trolls trying to troll wordforge too.)
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If your post is something along the lines of targeting a long-time poster with some sort of fact that only old-time posters would know about (flaming Mewa on his Firelfy bashing, me for my Enterprise rants, Tamar for her gossiping, Gul for being a shit-stirrer and so forth), I think that would qualify

But general asshattery, like calling someone a cunt or something, not so much. I mean, it's WF. That's what we're supposed to do.
 
Anna said:
I only speak for myself by saying this, but the attraction to WF wasn't for all the hacks installed there. Frankly, if that's the best thing it had to offer, I would have thought twice before sticking around.
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I never said it was for all the hacks. I just mentioned it.

And also, like number 4, Extreme Trolling fits too. What IS extreme trolling? it needs to be defined so that we know what's what, and put right into the rulebooks maybe with some examples.
 
guldulac said:
The problem is that the very ownership of Wordforge is based on a lie. That is no foundation for demonstrating trustworthiness. I think many on the rump staff are good choices, but at heart, you still have the two guys who stole borgs' database, then blackmailed him into "selling."
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There's a problem deeper than that, many 'Eliteforgers' don't seem to bothered by what was done to set up Haven. Nick, to his credit, thinks that stealing the database wasn't the most moral thing to do but most everyone else involved seems to not really care.
 
I think the main reason nobody cares is because it happened nearly two years ago and we've been enjoying the fruits of its labors since. It doesn't make it right, but to question it is to question the very notion of what WF has been for the last two years. Sometimes hard choices are made behind the scenes to make things better for everyone.
 
Nick Walczak said:
Sometimes hard choices are made behind the scenes to make things better for everyone.
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I don't think you're necessarily a bad guy, but this is really a poor choice of words.
 
Nick Walczak said:
I think the main reason nobody cares is because it happened nearly two years ago and we've been enjoying the fruits of its labors since. It doesn't make it right, but to question it is to question the very notion of what WF has been for the last two years. Sometimes hard choices are made behind the scenes to make things better for everyone.
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Blackmail, coercion and etc. are considered hard choices? Wow... now I'll ask you Nick, if the current members of the eliteforge were to pull the same shit with Elwood, what do you think his reaction would be?
 
KIRK1ADM said:
Blackmail, coercion and etc. are considered hard choices? Wow... now I'll ask you Nick, if the current members of the eliteforge were to pull the same shit with Elwood, what do you think his reaction would be?
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Yeah, to me, the hard choices involve coming up with an honest way to fix a problem. They made the easy choice, not the hard one.
 
KIRK1ADM said:
Blackmail, coercion and etc. are considered hard choices? Wow... now I'll ask you Nick, if the current members of the eliteforge were to pull the same shit with Elwood, what do you think his reaction would be?
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Assuming said action was to also remove the current eliteforge on staff. Based on him selling he will not sell. I can tell you what he would do.

SCORCHED EARTH
 
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