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Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

Sarek

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

The pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it "God's will."

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes and 20,000 residents.

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. But Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning they could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

"I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines," Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998 to devote himself to doing good works, said in a recent Newsweek interview.

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

"If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future," warned Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan. "The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment," he said. "If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge."

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

"While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments," Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.

"This is un-American," Kissling said. "I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens."

I've always thought Domino's pizza sucks ass anyways. This pretty much proves it.
 
Yep all the bible thumping religious fanatics are coming outta the woodwork. Apparently they won't be happy until we're the United State Of Jesusland.
 
I ate domino's this week. In fact, the dead pizza box is still on the top of my fridge. Its "Total Satisfaction Guarantee" looking me in the eye.

I wonder if I called them up and explained that I was unsatisfied that their founder was doing this shit, would they would give me my $14 back?
 
Domino's is a damn sight better than Papa John's.

How is this town's rules any different than a homeowner's associations rules? If you live in a planned community anywhere in the United States, you are subject to the homeowner's rules and regulations. They restrict you from doing lots of stuff. This man just wants to extend things further, to promote what he believes is a decent and just way to live.

No one will be forced to live there.
 
I just checked my book from my home owners association. There's nothing in there saying my wife can't get an abortion, telling us we can't use birth control, limiting what we can watch on the cable that we pay for, or telling us what we can and can not buy at the store.

But the fuckers won't let me paint the house purple with neon green trim. THOSE BASTARDS!!!
 
God forbid someone wants to create a place where like-minded individuals can freely express their faith, without fear of reprisal or protest!

Why, it's positively UN-AMERICAN!!!
 
They can't stop their residents from going elsewhere for their pornography, illicit items and to have abortions. They just can't get any within the district.

I think I'll move there and put up a 60" TV in the living room playing porn 24/7, and make sure the living room curtains are good and sheer.
 
Big Dick McGee said:
God forbid someone wants to create a place where like-minded individuals can freely express their faith, without fear of reprisal or protest!

Why, it's positively UN-AMERICAN!!!

In the beginning, David Koresh and Jim Jones said the same thing.
 
Sarek said:
In the beginning, David Koresh and Jim Jones said the same thing.

In the beginning, America was founded by men and women wishing to gather together to practice their religion openly and freely.

Jim Jones and David Koresh believed they were God. They started a cult.

Monaghan wants to build a town around the tenets of the Roman Catholic religion. If you honestly want to argue that Catholicism is like Jim Jones or David Koresh, then you're just being a pedantic moron.
 
Big Dick McGee said:
In the beginning, America was founded by men and women wishing to gather together to practice their religion openly and freely.

Jim Jones and David Koresh believed they were God. They started a cult.

Monaghan wants to build a town around the tenets of the Roman Catholic religion. If you honestly want to argue that Catholicism is like Jim Jones or David Koresh, then you're just being a pedantic moron.

I'm saying that here you have an individual who wants to establish a community in the united states that ignores or limits the constitutional rights of american citizens.

The very constitution that gives him the right to freely practice his religion BTW.
 
Sarek said:
I'm saying that here you have an individual who wants to establish a community in the united states that ignores or limits the constitutional rights of american citizens.

The very constitution that gives him the right to freely practice his religion BTW.

It does not ignore or limit the constitutional right of its citizens. I asks citizens within this small, gated community to live their lives according to the tenets of the Roman Catholic Church. Monaghan isn't forcing anyone to live in his community, he's asking them. He's not taking over an existing community, he's developing vacant land into a gated community. No one will be "trapped" inside the walls of this community. They are free to go and get their abortions, take their drugs, and buy their porn elsewhere. Just not in the community he's developing. It's called community standards. All areas have them, some are more stringent than others.

For example, my home Commonwealth, Pennsylvania, has "blue" laws in effect since the 1700's. You can't sell hard alcohol on Sundays anywhere in Pennsylvania, and you can only sell beer if it makes up less than 10% of your overall sales. This excludes bars and restaurants, it's for retail sales to the public. You also cannot purchase hard alcohol anywhere but in Commonwealth-run stores (known here as "State stores"), and you can only buy beer at Beer distributors. You're also not allowed to purchase a vehicle on Sundays, because you're not allowed to perform Notary functions on Sundays. This goes back to our founder, William Penn, a devout Quaker.

There are also other laws limiting the sale of pornography, etc.

Isn't this a violation of my civil rights? Shouldn't I be allowed to buy alcohol or purchase a vehicle on Sunday? Why, I sure can! I just hop in my car and head over the bridge to New Jersey, which has no such restrictions. For residents of Monaghan's community, it would be much easier, given the fact that it's only a 5,000 acre community.

It's pretty funny when you anti-religion types get your knickers in a twist when someone tries to openly express their religion.
 
Don't categories me as being the "anti-religion" type. You don't know enough about me to get away with it.

I can say that while my belief in religion is limited, I am not the bible thumping, in your face, impose my moral values on everyone, yank freedom of choice out from under their feet, type that you and this crappy republican administration seem to be.
 
For the record, I think the Catholic church is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. I believe in God, but I haven't been to church in about fifteen years (exept for weddings and funerals).

But if this guy wants to spend his own money to build a community that mirrors his own personal values, he should be allowed to. He should not be subject to outrage simply because he "dares" to make religion the focal point of his community.

I really do believe that vocal liberals in this country would have you believe that it's Freedom from Religion, not Freedom of Religion.

The Bush Administration is not a bunch of "Bible Beaters". Some of their supporters are, sure.
 
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