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George Zimmerman

It's playing badly. He hasn't been arrested, and claims self defense in the face of calling the kid a punk nigger (this was recorded) on the 911 call. He also has a history of calling 911 to complain about "those people", and tried to set it up that he was being attacked by the kid, who was armed with Skittles and ice tea.

It's called getting away with murder. There will be blood if he isnt arrested.
 
Not sure what your definition of "rabid pro gun" is, but as someone who's interested in the technology and likes to handle them, all I can say is that imo, if that Zimmerman guy hadn't been allowed to have a gun, he would probably either haven't followed the boy and instead waited for the cops - or have gotten himself a gun illegally weeks or months before that and still shot him. From what I've read, it looks like the guy had full-blown paranoia, which, together with an apparent prejudice, is a lethal weapon in and of itself.
The nastiest thing of this (apart from the death of an innocent person, of course), is that if Florida really stands by its "shoot first, ask questions later" jurisdiction, all that's needed for Zimmerman will be to plausibly claim that he had feared for his life, and he will not be prosecuted for murder. At least that's how I interpret that particular law.
 
headvoid said:
How is it playing in America?
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In Washington State, some are reminded of the John T Williams shooting where a native American wood carver was walking across the street with his knife and a piece of wood and a police officer shot him because he felt threatened as John walked in front of his vehicle to the other side of the road, where he was going. John was also hard of hearing.

No charges were filed against the officer.
 
(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald."He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.

Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

Traditionally, self-defense laws did not typically extend beyond a person's home, but the Florida law, and at least 20 more passed across the country since them, allows a resident to "meet force with force" almost anywhere, including the street or a bar.
Zimmerman, 28, reportedly admitted to police that he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of February 26. He was released without being charged after claiming he killed the boy in self-defense. But 911 recordings released over the weekend suggest that Zimmerman, who has a concealed weapons permit and volunteered in an apparently informal neighborhood watch program, pursued Martin, despite being told police were on their way.

It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."

Both co-sponsors told the newspaper, however, that they did not think the law needed to be re-examined.

"If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people," Baxley said. "It's about crime watch," he said. "What are the limitations of crime watch? Are you allowed to jump out and follow people and confront them? What do you think is going to happen? That's where it starts."

But during the town hall meeting in Sanford, Florida Rep. Geraldine Thompson promised the law's repeal would be a top priority for the state legislature's black caucus.

"If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?," she asked.
 
Socio-political slight-of-hand. It's so Americans can stay busy thinking about this horrible, racially motivate slaying of a law abiding, skittle loving, hoody wearing honor roll student well on his way to becoming a pillar of his community while the raping continues.

Did everyone know Zimmerman was widely considered to be a pillar of his community? Or that several young black (gasp) children considered him to be their mentor? Or that he's a wetback spic beaner sweaty?


In a word - Spin.
 
Zimmerman: These assholes always get away

911 Op: What's he doing?

Zimmerman: He's running away.

911 Op: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yes.

911 OP: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: ok
 
Gear: These assholes always get away.

911 op: That's OK sir. Let him go.

Gear: Fuck that [sound of slide racking].
 
Zimmerman is the "asshole that' getting away", imo.

Zimmerman expressed an interest in law enforcement when he applied to the Seminole County Sheriff's Officec citizens' law-enforcement academy in 2008; didn't make it. In his 911 call regarding Trayvon Martin, he states that he suspects the kid might be engaged in burglary or vandalism (not life-threatening, even if it were true). He pursued and killed the unarmed kid, against advice of the 911 dispatcher. This is one of forty-six 911 calls that Zimmerman made while serving on neighborhood watch (many may have been valid, who knows). Zimmerman looks like a loose cannon to me, but it's past time law enforcement release details and answer questions about the depth (or lack thereof) of their investigation.

The law is too subjective and vague, imo. Looks to me like law enforcement is using that as a blanket to avoid addressing some of the issues surrounding this death. Hope we learn more soon and appropriate action is taken, whatever that may be. Tonight there will be a protest ralley at 7:00 p.m., headed by Al Sharpton. There's talk of the Chief resigning as well. This one's not going away.
 
I wonder if Han Solo would be covered by the "shoot first law".

I got an interesting take on this from a coworker who was pissed off about two things: first, that amid all the shootings and murders and mayhem that take place daily in poor urban communities, this one causes uproar strictly because it was some white guy doing the shooting. As he put it, "If it was another black kid who had killed him nobody would give a shit. Wouldn't even make the news." He also thought Sharpton et al were opportunistic parasites who don' t care about anything but camera time.
My coworker is a young urban black male with standard education level. I felt that was a pertinent viewpoint...
 
You see how much weight Sharpton has lost? He's still pig-ignorant. At least now he's surrounding himself with literate articulate black men. Otherwise he'd probably fuck up his own cause. Fucking guy can't pronounce anything over three syllables correctly.
 
Donovan said:
I wonder if Han Solo would be covered by the "shoot first law".

I got an interesting take on this from a coworker who was pissed off about two things: first, that amid all the shootings and murders and mayhem that take place daily in poor urban communities, this one causes uproar strictly because it was some white guy doing the shooting. As he put it, "If it was another black kid who had killed him nobody would give a shit. Wouldn't even make the news." He also thought Sharpton et al were opportunistic parasites who don' t care about anything but camera time.
My coworker is a young urban black male with standard education level. I felt that was a pertinent viewpoint...
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It's a pertinent viewpoint. In that case, to make it a fair comparison, if the black kid shooter had called 911 and been told not to pursue, I wonder if law enforcement would be more aggressive in determining just how the shooter had "stood his ground" when he was in fact the aggressor against another unarmed kid with no evidence that the victim had committed any crime or posed any threat . Would the shooter still be out on the streets? Possibly, if the black kid shooter was part of a neighborhood watch? I don't know, lots of issues to ponder. But, I think the 911 calls are going to sink Zimmerman.

And, yep, Al Sharpton is quite the opportunist, often a snake. But, he does manage to attract attention. Interesting to see how this one plays out.
 
Just once I would like racism, prejudices, and politics not immediately fuck up cases like this. Strip it down to the important stuff:

A young man who obviously hasn't felt safe to the point of being paranoid for a while now sees another young man walking around. He calls the cops, cops say we'll look into it, stay where you are. Person doesn't oblige, takes his gun, (how did he get a CCW anyway? ETA: ah, nvm, almost anyone can get that in FL) follows young man, shoots him.

Case clear, right? RIGHT??
And then... racism, prejudice, politics.
~sigh
 
Bill Lee (the police chief) has stepped down while the investigation continues, and Geraldo Rivera says its the "hoodies" fault the kid got shot.

Just arrest this fucking asshole already, and stop the bullshit.
 
Donovan said:
I wonder if Han Solo would be covered by the "shoot first law".

I got an interesting take on this from a coworker who was pissed off about two things: first, that amid all the shootings and murders and mayhem that take place daily in poor urban communities, this one causes uproar strictly because it was some white guy doing the shooting. As he put it, "If it was another black kid who had killed him nobody would give a shit. Wouldn't even make the news." He also thought Sharpton et al were opportunistic parasites who don' t care about anything but camera time.
My coworker is a young urban black male with standard education level. I felt that was a pertinent viewpoint...
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Do black people think Mexicans are white?


I live in Florida, and I have guns, but I don't feel like the stand your ground law gives me the right to follow someone and shoot them. I hope they arrest Zimmerman soon.

If y'all are wondering how it's playing right here in the state you can read this http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-n...hief-steps-aside-in-teens-shooting-ar-383937/
 
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