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Goreans, Kaotians, sex cult!?!
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Sadistic Bastard
No Mercy
(chuckle)
The books are rather repetitive, described as a 4th grade story line (with sex) with a collage age vocabulary. John Norman was very full of himself. Most Gorian societies can be thought of as a SCA weekend with more sex (in fact, there is a lot of the "Ren Faire" crowd into this).
From my own exposure, "Gorian" is usually used to describe a style of training in D/s. The books are used as source material for protocols, positional training and a general style of how to treat a submissive or slave. "Gorian feasts" are a lot of fun to go to, and because it's a rather self-contained 'world' there are details that people like to pick up on such as styles of dancing or even food service. It's possible to be rather "immersive" at such events because the fantasy "world" it's set in is so well developed.
"Gorian Style" is usually a Male Dom (but Domme's are not unheard of...although the style and mind-set is that all women are ultimately submissive), objectification style of D/s. Women are property. They own nothing, not their bodies, choices in partners, or even their own names (which may be changed at their Master's whims). Women are expected to be totally submissive, with the only initiative allowed being attempts to catch the eye of the Master she wishes to serve. Slaves are sold or given away frequently and, again, at the whim of their Master.
I use Gorian protocols when it suits me. Some of the ideas a very good. Some are totally fantasy and not practical. As a rule, I don't get along with "True Gorian" style Masters as I like a little more initiative and "spirit" in my slaves and submissives.
An example of a Gorian protocol (which I like):
When serving a drink, a Gorian style slave (addressed as "kijara" should carry the cup at her "slave belly" (below her belly-button and above her pubic bone). The idea is to use her body heat to keep the drink warm. When she arrives at the person she is serving, she kneels, brings the cup to her lips, kisses the rim, and then lifts the cup over her head in such a way that the place she kissed will be the first place the "Master's" lips touch. She then holds that position until released.
There are other protocols I like, particularly the positional protocols, most of which are supposed to emphasize the kijara's submission. There are also dances, some of which "enigma" knows and has performed at feasts, such as a chain dance (the dancer is in the center of a circle, the Doms at the outside, she has light chains attached to restraints, cuffs or collar, the Dom's gently tug the chains and she dances in that direction), or a pole dance (the dancer acts as if a pole or other object is a lover, the idea is to show desire in her mind for display to the audience). Usually, in engima's case, it's a fusion of belly dance (the costume is usually reminiscent of this), hula, and her ballet training. She has something of a reputation for this... There are dozens of other things that are mentioned, the colors a slave is dressed in can signal her availability and how she is treated, there is a lot of other ritual with regard to body modification too (piercings and brandings in particular).
There are some elements that, as I've mentioned before, are impractical. For example, in the BOOKS, slaves who run away can be summarily executed, but more commonly have their Achilles tendon cut (permanently hobbling them). "Masters" are expected to dual with swords, and an un-answered insult can result in someone being scorned and no longer considered to be worthy of slave ownership. These aspects, of course, probably don't translate well to real life.
As a "philosophy", it's too simplistic to work in this world (but it works on "Gor"). It's also too out of balance to work as a basis for any long-term D/s relationship, IMHO.
Like any fantasy, there are people who can take things too far. The books are detailed enough that one could probably build a fantasy "community" if they keep it insulated. For a weekend, however, it's viable as a vacation from reality.
-SB
The books are rather repetitive, described as a 4th grade story line (with sex) with a collage age vocabulary. John Norman was very full of himself. Most Gorian societies can be thought of as a SCA weekend with more sex (in fact, there is a lot of the "Ren Faire" crowd into this).
From my own exposure, "Gorian" is usually used to describe a style of training in D/s. The books are used as source material for protocols, positional training and a general style of how to treat a submissive or slave. "Gorian feasts" are a lot of fun to go to, and because it's a rather self-contained 'world' there are details that people like to pick up on such as styles of dancing or even food service. It's possible to be rather "immersive" at such events because the fantasy "world" it's set in is so well developed.
"Gorian Style" is usually a Male Dom (but Domme's are not unheard of...although the style and mind-set is that all women are ultimately submissive), objectification style of D/s. Women are property. They own nothing, not their bodies, choices in partners, or even their own names (which may be changed at their Master's whims). Women are expected to be totally submissive, with the only initiative allowed being attempts to catch the eye of the Master she wishes to serve. Slaves are sold or given away frequently and, again, at the whim of their Master.
I use Gorian protocols when it suits me. Some of the ideas a very good. Some are totally fantasy and not practical. As a rule, I don't get along with "True Gorian" style Masters as I like a little more initiative and "spirit" in my slaves and submissives.
An example of a Gorian protocol (which I like):
When serving a drink, a Gorian style slave (addressed as "kijara" should carry the cup at her "slave belly" (below her belly-button and above her pubic bone). The idea is to use her body heat to keep the drink warm. When she arrives at the person she is serving, she kneels, brings the cup to her lips, kisses the rim, and then lifts the cup over her head in such a way that the place she kissed will be the first place the "Master's" lips touch. She then holds that position until released.
There are other protocols I like, particularly the positional protocols, most of which are supposed to emphasize the kijara's submission. There are also dances, some of which "enigma" knows and has performed at feasts, such as a chain dance (the dancer is in the center of a circle, the Doms at the outside, she has light chains attached to restraints, cuffs or collar, the Dom's gently tug the chains and she dances in that direction), or a pole dance (the dancer acts as if a pole or other object is a lover, the idea is to show desire in her mind for display to the audience). Usually, in engima's case, it's a fusion of belly dance (the costume is usually reminiscent of this), hula, and her ballet training. She has something of a reputation for this... There are dozens of other things that are mentioned, the colors a slave is dressed in can signal her availability and how she is treated, there is a lot of other ritual with regard to body modification too (piercings and brandings in particular).
There are some elements that, as I've mentioned before, are impractical. For example, in the BOOKS, slaves who run away can be summarily executed, but more commonly have their Achilles tendon cut (permanently hobbling them). "Masters" are expected to dual with swords, and an un-answered insult can result in someone being scorned and no longer considered to be worthy of slave ownership. These aspects, of course, probably don't translate well to real life.
As a "philosophy", it's too simplistic to work in this world (but it works on "Gor"). It's also too out of balance to work as a basis for any long-term D/s relationship, IMHO.
Like any fantasy, there are people who can take things too far. The books are detailed enough that one could probably build a fantasy "community" if they keep it insulated. For a weekend, however, it's viable as a vacation from reality.
-SB
Blindgroping
U mad 'bro?
SCA- ~groan~
Is there any social group for men and women together that doesn't end up as just a veil for people trying to get laid?
SCA, Amptgard, Larping(Vampire), etc....
Is there any social group for men and women together that doesn't end up as just a veil for people trying to get laid?
SCA, Amptgard, Larping(Vampire), etc....
DarthSikle
GFHH Moderator
The Gor novels are excellent science fiction with a mountain of that slave/master rubbish. It's great for the first few novels but eventuallu goes overboard as it becomes the soul of the book rather than the science fiction.
Book 5: Assassins of Gor is by far the best one I have read.
Book 5: Assassins of Gor is by far the best one I have read.
Blindgroping
U mad 'bro?
Most everyone at every SCA gathering I've met is about that.Dark Link said:
WAR: "If you can't get laid at WAR, you can't get laid!"