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Halp Us Jon Cary Stuc Hear in Irak!

Ogami

Ogami

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Democrat John Kerry:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
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Sure Kerry and Dems, keep telling us this is a neocon distraction. The soldiers don't think so, they GOT THE JOKE:

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A good chunk of my company has volunteered to go to Afghanistan. Apparently Iraq is a less-favorite destination, far fewer volunteers for that.

I asked why this was, aren't there people trying to kill you in both? I would think the soldiers in Iraq are awaiting relief rotations as much as those in Afghanistan.

Even if news travels quickly to Iraq, as we see here. ;)
 
The Kerry comment was classic politician dropping a very large bollock - i.e. I am pandering to my present audience with an off the cuff remark - but rather ironically showing myself to be fairly dumb not understanding that this will be seen very differently elsewhere.
 
So what John Kerry is saying is that only stupid people get stuck in the military fighting in wars.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong but Kerry is a Viet Nam Veteran, right? And during Kerry's 2004 bid for the presidency of the United States of America did he or did he not try and shame George W. Bush for not serving in Viet Nam? Hm, seems to me, by Kerry's new and improved standards George W. Bush is a damn genius.

When oh when will the waffling end John Kerry???
 
At my company formation today a color printout of this famous picture was making the rounds. Apparently I am not the only soldier to believe John Kerry meant to insult the American troops as uneducated and presumedly stupid, just as he has done his entire life.

The reason this "idle comment" won't go away is that Kerry is speaking for a vast majority of Democrat party officials, representatives, and senators who also feel our soldiers are war criminals and destroying an innocent country. After all, our soldiers like to torture too, right?

Kerry spoke his honest opinion, it was not a joke, and it's a view held by a good chunk of his party. And if that's wrong, well then the soldiers of my reserve company must be stupid, too. Right Kerry?

-Ogami
 
I think he touched on the fact that a rather large number of soldiers don't have too many prospects in life. You think if the average person had a $60,000 a year salary they would join the military? Why all these financial incentives? Why college tuition, why talk about 'skills you'll learn' to succeed when you get home? From that POV it looks more like a group of mercenaries than soldiers, that group that signs up in order to become successful, and not merely out of patriotism or being ambitious about having a career in the military.
 
Ogami said:
At my company formation today a color printout of this famous picture was making the rounds. Apparently I am not the only soldier to believe John Kerry meant to insult the American troops as uneducated and presumedly stupid, just as he has done his entire life.

The reason this "idle comment" won't go away is that Kerry is speaking for a vast majority of Democrat party officials, representatives, and senators who also feel our soldiers are war criminals and destroying an innocent country. After all, our soldiers like to torture too, right?

Kerry spoke his honest opinion, it was not a joke, and it's a view held by a good chunk of his party. And if that's wrong, well then the soldiers of my reserve company must be stupid, too. Right Kerry?

-Ogami
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If what you speak is true, then why does the military itself run recruiting commercials and say "learn some skills, join the marines" or "be all you can be" that implies you arent being that without joining the army? What Kerry said is true and you dont like it because you dont like to face the truth like a typical republican. Face the facts, most of the people around you in the military joined because they did not have the money, skills, or both to attend college or trade school. If they did they would be there instead of dodging bullets and eating sand. What Kerry said to those students was meant to light a fire under their collective asses informing them they have the opportunity at hand and should not waste it. To take what he said out of context just shows how desparate you are. Go ahead and respond with whatever you wish but remember this. I served in the Army, 1rst Air Defense at Fort Bliss Texas. I was a Chapperal Missle Mechanic. In order to be that I had to learn 3 jobs, the shooter, the driver, and the mechanic. In the basic training unit I was in there were 48 of us, 22 training to be shooters, 22 to be drivers, 4 to be mechanics. The guys who were going to be shooters and drivers had to be some of the most stupid people I ever met in my life. Some were there because they needed to do something with their lives, the others because they did something wrong and were given a choice from a judge to join the military or go to jail. I was there to get some skills and money for college. I know what the military is all about.
 
"Jenny, they sendin' me to Vietnam." - Forrest Gump

I've read on many occasions how the draft started hauling in very poorly trained, poorly qualified soldiers in Vietnam's later years. This was a complaint of the professional, volunteer military at the quality of many 'shake n bake' LTs sent to them as the casualties mounted. I'm certain this is what Kerry was thinking of, that was his generation, there's no reason for him to change his views.

Today's military, however, is highly educated, professional, and all-volunteer. There are a lot of ROTC candidates that will be coming in at high rank or going on to OCS to become officers. That would make these people uneducated but working feverishly to be educated while in service.

Kerry is stuck in a 60s time warp, it's safe to say. And his comments about our soldiers in Iraq have been echoed by the left since 2003. The respect isn't there from the left, the Democrats. It's just lip service.

-Ogami
 
Jon Carry needs to STFU. We don't all come from families that made their fortune in Chinese trade, opium and marrying wealthy women. His remark was meant to disrespect the men and women serving in our military in Iraq. It was not "taken out of context." It is not the first time he has disrespected our military involved in an unpopular war.

The financial incentives to join the military are reasonable. First, young people are choice for recruiting - young people whose contemporaries are going to college paid for by government handouts, grants and scholarships; or by working part time jobs; or they may be fortunate enough to get a college education paid for by a rich aunt like Kerry. Second, serving in the military can be dangerous and even deadly. Higher risk deserves more incentive. Even when a person enlists in peace time there is the possibility that the Country will go to war or be involved in an armed conflict.

Serving in the military probably isn't the first career choice for most of the people who enlist but we need a military - not just for the security of the United States, not just for the security of our allies, and not just to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our military is also active globally in humanitarian missions such as flood relief in South Africa, earthquake relief in Iran, tsunami relief in Indonesia, etc.....

What is truly disgusting about this whole mess is that the damned Democrats instead of admitting Kerry's remark was wrong will try to cover for him by further disrespecting our military men and women.
 
What exactly is 'good' about the Republican party?

EDIT: This was more in the context of your Welcome Back post.
 
This is what is good about the Republican Party - if I had to declare myself as affiliated with any party, it would be the Republicans. While the things that are more important to me at any given time may be addressed by most parties, the means of achieving the objectives are not always the same. For example, the economy. I am for cutting taxes - giving individals more spending income. Wealth spread around creates more wealth. Democrats typically support government social programs that stifle wealth building and create a poverty state. In other words - Republicans give you a fishing pole and the opportunity to fish; Democrats take your pole and give it to someone else, then give them half of the fish you learned to catch by other means.

Also, John Kerry is not a Republican.
 
I meant in practice. Do you agree with the current Republican administration's attempts to give sweeping amnesty to illegal immigrants?
 
No, I don't agree with giving illegal immigrants a sweeping amnesty. That is not something just the current Republican administration is working at. Dear Democrat Hilary wants to give the children of all those illegal immigrants a college education free of charge to them but paid for by the legal taxpaying citizens of this country. If we've got that much money for free college educations, then we ought to be forking it out to the legal residents of this country first.
 
Can set aside the partisanism and agree that the people making the most money from cheap labor are the ones lobbying both parties to go against the will of the American people?
 
I'd almost agree with you. In sounds good in theory - these "others" that are lobbying for sweeping amnesty. However, it is a bigger subject than just "cheap labor." There is the Mexican Gov't that wants our borders to remain porous because American dollars bolster their economy. The Mexican's aren't our enemies. They are like drowning people that are latching onto what they can to stay afloat. Maybe we can't annex Mexico, and maybe NAFTA hasn't been the boon hoped for, but there ought to be something that can be done to fix that country's problems so that the citizens don't feel it necessary to risk death or injury only to live at the mercy of smugglers, unscrupulous employers, and other criminals who will rob them knowing they are unlikely to report it to the police, as well as arrest and deportation for being in the country illegally. Maybe fixing Mexico should be a UN project. Oh, wait - the UN would just commandeer the US to fix Mexico so we might as well just figure out the solution and get it over with.
 
I'd almost agree with you, except for the fact that plenty of nations adhere to UN standards and get along fine. Why can't the US?

And why do people get so indignant about the US doing what the UN tells it to when it comes to important issues such as pollution, weapons proliferation, etc? The North American Union will crush US sovereignty anyway.
 
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