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Is America Dying?

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Unluckiest Charm in the Box
First we lost Oldsmobile, then Plymouth, then Saturn, then Hummer. Now we've lost another America Icon...Pontiac! :(

Pontiac, maker of muscle cars, ends after 84 years
By TOM KRISHER, AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher,
Ap Auto Writer – Sun Oct 31, 2:39 pm ET

DETROIT – Pontiac, whose muscle cars drag-raced down boulevards, parked at drive-ins and roared across movie screens, is going out of business on Sunday.




The 84-year-old brand, moribund since General Motors decided to kill it last year as it collapsed into bankruptcy, had been in decline for years. It was undone by a combination of poor corporate strategy and changing driver tastes. On Oct. 31, GM's agreements with Pontiac dealers expire.

Even before GM's bankruptcy, Pontiac's sales had fallen from their peak of nearly one million in 1968, when the brand's speedier models were prized for their powerful engines and scowling grills.

At Pontiac's pinnacle, models like the GTO, Trans Am and Catalina 2+2 were packed with horsepower and sported colors like "Tiger Gold." Burt Reynolds and Sally Field fled the law in a Firebird Trans Am which raced through the 1970s hit movie "Smokey and the Bandit."

By the late 1980s, though, Pontiacs were taking off their muscle shirts, putting on suits and trying to act like other cars. The brand had lost its edge.

Bill Hoglund, a retired GM executive who led Pontiac during its "We Build Excitement" ad campaigns in the 1980s, blames the brand's demise on a reorganization under CEO Roger Smith in 1984. That overhaul cut costs by combining Pontiac's manufacturing, engineering and design operations with those of other GM brands.

"There was no passion for the product," says Hoglund. "The product had to fit what was going on in the corporate system."

Although the moves were necessary to fend off competition from Japanese automakers with lower costs, they yielded Pontiacs that looked and drove like other GM cars.

By 2008, the last full year before GM announced Pontiac's shutdown, sales were 267,000, less than a third of those sold in 1968.

Formed in 1926, Pontiac made cars for the working class until a sales slump in the 1950s nearly killed it. GM revived the brand by connecting it to auto racing. From then on, each Pontiac sales boom was driven by speed; each bust generally featured outdated or boring rides.

The brand's most storied muscle car, the GTO, came about when some GM engineers took a small car called the Tempest and put a powerful V8 engine under the hood. The letters stood for "Gran Turismo Omologato," Italian for "ready to race."

Sparked by the GTO, the Pontiac brand thrived, making up 17 percent of the 5.4 million cars and trucks GM sold in the U.S. in 1968. The GTO even spawned its own 1960s hit song.

"C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO," was the chorus of the tune by Ronny and the Daytonas.

Pontiac's decline stemmed from a lack of a consistent strategy or leadership. Executives rotated through every few years on their way up the corporate ladder, each with a different vision. Some even tried to make Pontiac a luxury brand.

One strategy that eventually hurt the brand was rebadging: putting the guts of less powerful GM cars inside the skins of Pontiacs.

Big economic shifts also damaged the brand. Two gas spikes in the 1970s steered Americans toward smaller cars with more fuel-efficient engines, areas dominated by Japanese automakers in the U.S.

About two dozen unsold Pontiacs now linger at dealerships around the country, including a maroon G5 coupe that sits awkwardly in a no-man's land between used cars and new models next to the showroom at Orr GM Superstore near Little Rock, Ark. The car, which is really just a poky Chevrolet Cobalt gussied up with a spoiler, fancy wheels and the red arrowhead Pontiac logo, has been on the lot for more than 700 days. Sales Manager Alex Valencia has knocked almost $7,000 off the sticker price, down to $16,585.

Despite spells of success during the last 30 years, Pontiac never returned to its supercharged sales of the 1960s.

A low point was the late 1990s, when Pontiac came up with Aztek, an attempt to merge campers with SUVs and win over young, outdoorsy Americans. The vehicle, which seemed more like a cross between a minivan and armored car, flopped.

In the mid-2000s, GM tried to rekindle the brand with powerful sedans, such as the G8, which harkened back to the GTO. But dealers wanted a full model lineup, and GM gave them renamed Chevrolets, diluting Pontiac's performance image, says Bob Lutz, GM's former product guru who headed up the effort to reinvigorate Pontiac.

This year, Pontiac's sales are less than 1 percent of the 2.2 million cars and trucks GM is expected to sell. GM built the last Pontiac in May.

Even after their Pontiac agreements expire, GM dealers will continue to service the cars and honor their warranties. But after this weekend, any new Pontiacs that remain on dealer lots will be considered used cars by GM.

Anthony "Tony" Augelli, owner of a Pontiac-GMC-Buick dealer in Gurnee, Ill., near Chicago, still has a gleaming orange 2009 Solstice roadster that's the first car to greet customers in his showroom. Despite its prime perch, the $32,000 car hasn't sold.

Augelli gets emotional when speaking of Pontiac's end.

"I miss it already," he says.

What is the world that we know of coming to? :(

link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_goodbye_pontiac
 
It is the way of the world that dinosaurs of smaller brain get extinct. Every damn body in my town is driving a honda, Hyundai, or kia. Why? Because they work better, and they give people what they ask for.

Little while down the road, there will be American vehicles again, once the American union's back is broken by poverty and we can no longer afford to import. We'll be forced to go back into business making domestic products, and maybe a little of the greed will be gone.
 
The fact that Buick survives and Pontiac dies is the surest sign yet that America is dying. And the fat Buick-driving red-state Teabaggers are flooring their accelerators to speed our demise.
 
We seriously need to Ark B the Teabaggers. Think they'll fall for a "giant space goat is coming eat our sun"? It could work if we broadcast on Fox News.
 
I drive a 1991 Lincoln Town Car. It's in superb shape, and built like a tank. Damn, they don't make cars like that anymore.
 
How many shipyards do we still have?
How many steel foundries?

As someone who works in manufacturing, I find this most disturbing:

We no longer build the "Tools that make the tools" here. My production equipment comes from Asia. The robots, the tooling, the heavy presses...all Asian.

They are building a new Eastern Span of the SF bay bridge. The steel's all coming from China.

Once we loose the auto industry and Boeing, we are just a big source of debt until we are sucked dry. Our only export will be porn and TV.

On the up side, all of these heavy polluting industries aren't here polluting us directly.
 
Actually, TV is the opposite. It used to be free, and now it's not. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere and still use (digital) rabbit ears to get reception.

Porn will be free for a while longer, but the industry is taking its cue from Hollywood and gearing up to tackle the torrent sites en masse. But unlike Hollywood, once the pron industry does this, they will have brought about their own demise.
 
I've been predicting the End of America in 50 years since 20 years ago.

You have 30 left.

The really sad thing is that the cause for the demise os ocrporate structure.
But it'll be corporate structure that replaces the government when it crumbles.
 
Speaking of the end - Does anyone happen to know in which timezone the catastophy will stike first in Dec 2012? I need to know if I can travel out in front of it and wind up back where I started or if I sould just stay home and give up.

Why weren't the mayans able to bend their considerable future peering capabilities toward thier own demise again?

Mayans were east coast US TZ I think.
 
Speaking of the end - Does anyone happen to know in which timezone the catastophy will stike first in Dec 2012? I need to know if I can travel out in front of it and wind up back where I started or if I sould just stay home and give up.

Why weren't the mayans able to bend their considerable future peering capabilities toward thier own demise again?

Mayans were east coast US TZ I think.


2012 = Mayan Y2K bug. Or possibly 640k barrier. (Fuck. 2012 is far enough out. I'm not going to bother drawing up a calendar further than that.)
 
I'm thinking between the year 2012-2020, this entire system that we know of is doomed to collapse :(
 
Polaris just today announced that they were packing up shop and moving to Mexico. And for all you conservatives out there that like to cry that union wages and taxes cause this stuff, CEO Scott Wine said Polaris will pay its Mexican workforce one-third of what it now pays workers at its plants -- all nonunion -- in Osceola, Roseau, Minn., and Spirit Lake, Iowa. So no, America isn't dying. But conservatives greedy business principles are damn well trying to kill it. And BTW, Polaris's profits last year were 117.4 million. Up 28 percent from the year before.
 
Polaris just today announced that they were packing up shop and moving to Mexico. And for all you conservatives out there that like to cry that union wages and taxes cause this stuff, CEO Scott Wine said Polaris will pay its Mexican workforce one-third of what it now pays workers at its plants -- all nonunion -- in Osceola, Roseau, Minn., and Spirit Lake, Iowa. So no, America isn't dying. But conservatives greedy business principles are damn well trying to kill it. And BTW, Polaris's profits last year were 117.4 million. Up 28 percent from the year before.

Unions helped but they are not the cause. Corruption finds its level just like sewer water, both in corporate boardrooms, union leadership, and political parties. Unions are at fault in that they have long since stopped doing what they were invented for: protection of their own work force (except in rare cases) and have become self- sustaining behemoths. Meanwhile, politicians bought and paid for on both sides of the aisle legislate and deregulate and essentially remove all barriers for their corporate sponsors to stripmine our country's GDP, and send all the jobs to where it's still okay to use slave labor.
America as a country isn't dying, and won't, because our sudden absence would create a tremendous vacuum in the balance of power in various other parts of the world. However, our role as the world's big dog is ended.

Thus falls every empire. All that's left is to see if we dwindle quietly or get carved up like a morbidly obese turkey into our various regional breast, thigh, and hindquarter segments. I expect we don't have much to fear externally, but we'll implode like a space shuttle with bad O-rings if we're not careful. We could end up with a whole shitload of unpronounceable countries in twenty years like Europe has: the south could be Redneckistan, New York and the Eastern Seaboard could call themselve the Betterthanyou-SA, and the West Coast could call themselves Trainwrecksylvania. Maine and Vermont and New Hampshire--well, they'd have to live with being who they are now, since nobody really wants them. They'd be a little principality forever known by their shape and location as Canada's Penis. Sorry Jack. At least you'd still get to fuck people in the neck...
 
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