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Lord of the Rings

eloisel

eloisel

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Watched again part of the LOTR - Return of the King tonight. Sean Astin did an excellent job as Sam and, in my opinion, Sam was the true hero of the story.
 
Really!?

I consider Gandalf to be the ULTIMATE hero of the whole trilogy. He saves everyone's asses several times in all three movies. He goes toe-to-toe with the Balrog FotR. He gathers the Rohirim so they can save the day at Helm's Deep on TT. Then, he becomes the most ultimate badass in the third, fighting off all of the wringwraiths, taking charge of the siege of Gondor, calling in his friends the eagles to rescue Sam and Frodo from Mt. Doom, finally hooking up Frodo with a cruise to the Undying Lands of the elves.

Sam whined and complained through ALL THREE MOVIES.
 
"I'm hungry." "There's no rope." "I don't trust Smeagol." "Why don't you love me? I'm leaving." "Don't die, I didn't mean it."

The guy did nothing but bellyache through the entire trillogy. Sam was by far the biggest downer.

It was only in the very end of the last one where his balls dropped and he did something good.
 
Conchaga said:
...calling in his friends the eagles to rescue Sam and Frodo from Mt. Doom...
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I could never figure out why Gandalf didn't just talk the eagles into flying him to Mt. Doom early on, before the Ringwraiths had "fell beasts" or whatever to fly on, and just throw in the ring himself.
 
eloisel said:
Watched again part of the LOTR - Return of the King tonight. Sean Astin did an excellent job as Sam and, in my opinion, Sam was the true hero of the story.
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yeah, i guess so, its just in the movie version it was so clear there was some kind of homo-erotic thing going on between him and Frodo
that well, they should have made out at least once or something...
 
If it weren't for Sam, Frodo would not have made it to Doom. All Sam had going for him was a little elven magic light, a sword and a heavy sense of loyalty. Frodo had Sam but Sam had nobody to turn to. Frodo fought Sam on being his companion too - left him behind, trusted Smeagol over him, was obsessed with the ring. When others would have left nasty Frodo to his own worst end, Sam stayed true.

The others had their outstanding qualities, their moments of heroism, but, they had magic and/or lots of weapons at their disposal and armies to fight with them with regards to their part in the battle for Middle Earth.

Only Sam fought alone with his tiny light and blade against whatever monster that stood in his way of saving Frodo, of getting Frodo to Doom with the ring.
 
Oh my god said:
yeah, i guess so, its just in the movie version it was so clear there was some kind of homo-erotic thing going on between him and Frodo
that well, they should have made out at least once or something...
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Where, upon viewing, you would have punched a tiny little chubbyhole through the bottom of your popcorn container and provided your own "butter".
 
Archibald Nixon said:
I could never figure out why Gandalf didn't just talk the eagles into flying him to Mt. Doom early on, before the Ringwraiths had "fell beasts" or whatever to fly on, and just throw in the ring himself.
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According to Tolkien lore the eagles only show up in times of dire need.
 
Oh my god said:
yeah, i guess so, its just in the movie version it was so clear there was some kind of homo-erotic thing going on between him and Frodo
that well, they should have made out at least once or something...
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Have you actually READ the books? Holy shit. What Tolkien writes is close to gay porno compared to what was on the screen.
 
eloisel said:
If it weren't for Sam, Frodo would not have made it to Doom. All Sam had going for him was a little elven magic light, a sword and a heavy sense of loyalty. Frodo had Sam but Sam had nobody to turn to. Frodo fought Sam on being his companion too - left him behind, trusted Smeagol over him, was obsessed with the ring. When others would have left nasty Frodo to his own worst end, Sam stayed true.

The others had their outstanding qualities, their moments of heroism, but, they had magic and/or lots of weapons at their disposal and armies to fight with them with regards to their part in the battle for Middle Earth.

Only Sam fought alone with his tiny light and blade against whatever monster that stood in his way of saving Frodo, of getting Frodo to Doom with the ring.
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In the book, Sam is a much more regal character and completely creams Shelob in the cave. After that, he goes and kicks some major ass in the tower. Even manages to get past the magical wards of the tower. However, he actually uses the ring to accomplish the goal of saving Frodo.

It is true that the rest of the characters have great magical items to help them accomplish their goal. Though, those magical items were simply weapons. Let's see... Aragorn had Anduril, Gimli had "MY AXE" and Gimli was just a badass dwarf so he didn't need any magical mumbojumbo. Legolas had his bow (it was given to him by Galadriel) It's the equivalent of an English Longbow. The difference being, that when an English or Welsh Longbow grows old it weakens. The inverse is true for Elven Longbows. The four hobbits all had the Barrow daggers of "strange" make. Given to them by Aragorn. Frodo's was the only one with a proper history. Sting "Spider's Bane" was a magical sword created by the wood elves to fight the monstrous spiders in their area. When near large spiders it gives off a magical blue flame without heat. Something I was sorely disappointed wasn't in RotK. Lastly was Gandalf. He bore Glamdring "Foe-hammer". His sword glowed blue around orcs as well, but that was left out of the movie.

I also don't like how much Jackson cinema-ized the movie and MAJOR plot points to accomplish the filming of this epic. Where the fuck was Bombadil!? That guy was a pure foreshadowing point that was COMPLETELY lost. Maybe they'll do another movie soon and name it Bombadil: The untold lord of the rings.

I just disagree on who the real hero of the story is. I believe it's Gandalf ftw. The guy just straight owns everything in his path.

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I think Randall from Clerks II summed up that little love tryst quite well. Ahd if I wans't still al ittle drunk or alazy, I would go get that clip. But....I AIN'T GONNA
 
You need to remember that this is Kevin Smith writing behind Randal. The reason for the "ending" speech is that he slightly obsesses over the closing points of his movies because he didn't know how to end clerks. Unless you're a super-geek, you don't know there's an alternate ending to clerks where Dante gets shot. Miramax had him remove that scene and kept the ending as most of you have seen it.
 
Conchaga said:
I also don't like how much Jackson cinema-ized the movie and MAJOR plot points to accomplish the filming of this epic. Where the fuck was Bombadil!? That guy was a pure foreshadowing point that was COMPLETELY lost. Maybe they'll do another movie soon and name it Bombadil: The untold lord of the rings.
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I'm sorry, but I just hated Bombadil, and applauded his absence in the films. Any foreshadowing you might have gotten from his little scene didn't seem at all necessary to me, or was adequately substituted for with some creative editorial shuffling. The only impression Bombadil's chapter left me with was that it was something Tolkien was dying to include solely to enrich his whole mythological tapestry --and fair enough; that's his call (or his editors). But personally I found him & his hippie girlfriend about as useless a sidebar as Ghan-Buri-Ghan (or whatever the fuck the little apeman's name was) right before the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
 
Archibald Nixon said:
I'm sorry, but I just hated Bombadil, and applauded his absence in the films. Any foreshadowing you might have gotten from his little scene didn't seem at all necessary to me, or was adequately substituted for with some creative editorial shuffling. The only impression Bombadil's chapter left me with was that it was something Tolkien was dying to include solely to enrich his whole mythological tapestry --and fair enough; that's his call (or his editors). But personally I found him & his hippie girlfriend about as useless a sidebar as Ghan-Buri-Ghan (or whatever the fuck the little apeman's name was) right before the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
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All I'm saying is that throwing a bit of extra storyline in there only really adds a couple seconds to the film and it's already gigantic. It would enrich the story and possibly have it be a bit closer to the original text.
 
eloisel said:
Watched again part of the LOTR - Return of the King tonight. Sean Astin did an excellent job as Sam and, in my opinion, Sam was the true hero of the story.
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Johnny Love says:

Legolas was the best actor and the best hero of the movie...Hello!!!!!!!

I don't disagree.





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