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Pandora and Polygamy

Caitriona

Something Wicked
The Washington Post
Pandora and Polygamy

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, March 17, 2006; A19



And now, polygamy.

With the sweetly titled HBO series "Big Love," polygamy comes out of the closet. Under the headline "Polygamists, Unite!" Newsweek informs us of "polygamy activists emerging in the wake of the gay-marriage movement." Says one evangelical Christian big lover: "Polygamy rights is the next civil-rights battle."

Polygamy used to be stereotyped as the province of secretive Mormons, primitive Africans and profligate Arabs. With "Big Love" it moves to suburbia as a mere alternative lifestyle.

As Newsweek notes, these stirrings for the mainstreaming of polygamy (or, more accurately, polyamory) have their roots in the increasing legitimization of gay marriage. In an essay 10 years ago, I pointed out that it is utterly logical for polygamy rights to follow gay rights. After all, if traditional marriage is defined as the union of (1) two people of (2) opposite gender, and if, as advocates of gay marriage insist, the gender requirement is nothing but prejudice, exclusion and an arbitrary denial of one's autonomous choices in love, then the first requirement -- the number restriction (two and only two) -- is a similarly arbitrary, discriminatory and indefensible denial of individual choice.

This line of argument makes gay activists furious. I can understand why they do not want to be in the same room as polygamists. But I'm not the one who put them there. Their argument does. Blogger and author Andrew Sullivan, who had the courage to advocate gay marriage at a time when it was considered pretty crazy, has called this the "polygamy diversion," arguing that homosexuality and polygamy are categorically different because polygamy is a mere "activity" while homosexuality is an intrinsic state that "occupies a deeper level of human consciousness."

But this distinction between higher and lower orders of love is precisely what gay rights activists so vigorously protest when the general culture "privileges" (as they say in the English departments) heterosexual unions over homosexual ones. Was "Jules et Jim" (and Jeanne Moreau), the classic Truffaut film involving two dear friends in love with the same woman, about an "activity" or about the most intrinsic of human emotions?

To simplify the logic, take out the complicating factor of gender mixing. Posit a union of, say, three gay women all deeply devoted to each other. On what grounds would gay activists dismiss their union as mere activity rather than authentic love and self-expression? On what grounds do they insist upon the traditional, arbitrary and exclusionary number of two?

What is historically odd is that as gay marriage is gaining acceptance, the resistance to polygamy is much more powerful. Yet until this generation, gay marriage had been sanctioned by no society that we know of, anywhere at any time in history. On the other hand, polygamy was sanctioned, indeed common, in large parts of the world through large swaths of history, most notably the biblical Middle East and through much of the Islamic world.

I'm not one of those who see gay marriage or polygamy as a threat to, or assault on, traditional marriage. The assault came from within. Marriage has needed no help in managing its own long, slow suicide, thank you. Astronomical rates of divorce and of single parenthood (the deliberate creation of fatherless families) existed before there was a single gay marriage or any talk of sanctioning polygamy. The minting of these new forms of marriage is a symptom of our culture's contemporary radical individualism -- as is the decline of traditional marriage -- and not its cause.

As for gay marriage, I've come to a studied ambivalence. I think it is a mistake for society to make this ultimate declaration of indifference between gay and straight life, if only for reasons of pedagogy. On the other hand, I have gay friends and feel the pain of their inability to have the same level of social approbation and confirmation of their relationship with a loved one that I'm not about to go to anyone's barricade to deny them that. It is critical, however, that any such fundamental change in the very definition of marriage be enacted democratically and not (as in the disastrous case of abortion) by judicial fiat.

Call me agnostic. But don't tell me that we can make one radical change in the one-man, one-woman rule and not be open to the claim of others that their reformation be given equal respect.

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The human race is not wired for any longstanding polygamist relationships. Biological factors, which are encoded into our DNA, ensure the continuity of monogamy, to perpetuate the continuation of our species.

In short, the tendency to be monogamous is biological in nature, not social.
 
And that would mean that those that are hard wired differently, should not be able to pursue their happiness? While the majority may be monogamous, what about those that are not?

A few decades ago your same rationale was used to describe gays and lesbians. That humans were hard wired to reproduce and be in hetero monogamous relationships.

So, you think what? It is OK for gays to marry, but not triads and quads to have the same legal protections and social advantages as monogamous couples?

humm????
 
LOL...Calm down.

I simply stated a hypothesis based on scientific research. There was no viewpoint ascribed to my statement...at all.

What polygamists do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business, as long as it is among consenting adults. Let them have all the social advantages and legal protections they want.

All's I'm saying is that the tendency to be monogamous is encoded into our genes.
 
Friday said:
The human race is not wired for any longstanding polygamist relationships. Biological factors, which are encoded into our DNA, ensure the continuity of monogamy, to perpetuate the continuation of our species.

In short, the tendency to be monogamous is biological in nature, not social.


Everybody is different. Some like to have sex with animals. Some like to simulate sex with pavements - the latter is true, and that sure wasn't biological.

We are both biological creatures, and social creatures. If you were locked in a room from birth, upon being released, I doubt a male would instantly seek a female with whom to reproduce, or likewise. Social factors define us in many ways - without them, a large majority of the biological factors that determine sexuality wouldn't exist.

Some have lived in a polygamous for years. If can be just as social as biological. Perhaps for some, it is due to an inability to live in a monogamous relationship, therefore entirely social in nature.
 
Let the gays marry and let's have polygamy! I'm just advocating this because all the good men are married and don't get sex, I could fill that void.
 
Laker_Girl said:
Let the gays marry and let's have polygamy! I'm just advocating this because all the good men are married and don't get sex, I could fill that void.

LOL... there you go. Polygamists Unite!
 
Laker_Girl said:
See, I'm not as narrow minded as you think. ;) But I bet I'm sluttier than you thought. :who?me?:

Oh no I thought you were pretty slutty.. but then I think that is a good thing for all women to be. ;)
 
Why? I'd marry you but you're too focused on your career and besides, it seems like wife #1 ruined your idea of marriage.
 
Laker_Girl said:

Sorry, I'm a functionalist in many respects. Polygamy does serve a function, primarily mass propagation. But in modern times, mass propagation is a bad idea, not a good one. Aside from the instant-gratification angle of multiple sexual partner availability, I don't see what the appeal is.

I'd marry you but you're too focused on your career and besides, it seems like wife #1 ruined your idea of marriage.

Well, focus on the career is a means, not an end. :) And just because something doesn't work once doesn't mean it's suddenly become a bad idea.
 
The Question said:
Sorry, I'm a functionalist in many respects. Polygamy does serve a function, primarily mass propagation. But in modern times, mass propagation is a bad idea, not a good one. Aside from the instant-gratification angle of multiple sexual partner availability, I don't see what the appeal is.

Well the truth is it is a lot more pragmatic than you might imagine. With multiple partners, there is never one partner taking on all the mundane tasks to keep a household going-it's shared. If one partner works long hours in a monogamous relationship, the other partner is lonely. That doesn't happen in Triads or Quads. If children are involved, the parenting is shared and not farmed out to day car centers and babysitters. Even if all the adults work there is a greater pool of resources so the standard of living is usually better.

Usually people do get caught up in the 'sexual kink' of it, but truthfully, it serves a whole lot more practical concerns than sexual ones.
 
Caitriona said:
Well the truth is it is a lot more pragmatic than you might imagine. With multiple partners, there is never one partner taking on all the mundane tasks to keep a household going-it's shared. If one partner works long hours in a monogamous relationship, the other partner is lonely. That doesn't happen in Triads or Quads. If children are involved, the parenting is shared and not farmed out to day car centers and babysitters. Even if all the adults work there is a greater pool of resources so the standard of living is usually better.

Usually people do get caught up in the 'sexual kink' of it, but truthfully, it serves a whole lot more practical concerns than sexual ones.

I hate to be so non-traditionalist but exactly.
 
Not only that, but when he's acting like an ass, you can go off and shop, or play or whatever, with your the other woman in the relationship. I'll be honest, if everyone is really OK with it, it is like having your cake and eating it too. Literally! ;)
 
The Question said:
^^Still don't see it. I get what you're saying, it just doesn't strike me as having more advantages than disadvantages.

It really boils down to what each individual is comfortable with. It's not something you're ever going to see among strict monogamists. It just can't be done.

But for those who can be comfortable, can actually love all the partners for who they are.. well it has a lot of advantages.

That's not to say it does not have its problems. It certainly does. But then all relationships have problems that have to be worked out.
 
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