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The issue of conscience in trolling and destroying Wordforge

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Tyrant

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I can hear Raffles groaning.

I never set out to destroy what I perceive to be 'innocent' targets. I have a twisted sense of justice. Like Venom. Certain assholes deserve it, and I have largely kept my stuff in the Red Room.

Regardless of what you might think, I have been pushing for more chaos at WF through very subtle means. I have been the Devil whispering in everyone's ear. Am I the reason for all of this? Not even I would be so boastful.

So, why should I do a 180 and suddenly try to help WF? Because I can. And the thought of being a part of a resolution which ends in little bloodshed, to the dismay of certain shitkickers and stirrers, is delightful.

The issues you people face are largely imaginary, if not completely.

I was groping in around in the darkness before, shooting blanks as DW, but now, the issues have taken on a physical form thanks to certain panicky actions by the people who run WF. I am pleased with myself, as I'm sure others are, in helping to create a status quo where criticizing Elwood is as natural as doing the same with Bush. Mission Accomplished, and I'd take no pleasure in seeing your daisy-chain huggles fora suffer for it.

Any TKer who recalls QSF being at the top of the board knows exactly what I'm talking about. It's mostly fluff. I mean, look at you. You want sweeping changes to fix a single problem or two. You got Elwood thinking that your dislike of Wordforge is greater than the reason you visit the site.

It's a subconscious group activity on many of your parts. This trend infested TK for a long time and was (THANK GOD) extirpated a while ago. What exactly is stopping you from dropping all this silliness and going back to posting your Jerry Springer outrage mother drowns baby in tub of Gatorade threads in the RR?

Stop with throwing 50 ideas on the table. Get A51 removed, appoint a new mod or two, toss some old ones out and be done with it.
 
No, Tyrant, the problems were there long before you started posting. What you might have done, however, is made it easier for some to voice their longstanding grievances because of your DW dual.

But the current unrest does not fall on your shoulders.
 
Friday said:
No, Tyrant, the problems were there long before you started posting. What you might have done, however, is made it easier for some to voice their longstanding grievances because of your DW dual.

But the current unrest does not fall on your shoulders.
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The only problem with Wordforge for you is that no one liked you after what you did to Diacanu.
 
Tex said:
You think too highly of yourself.
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Rubbish. If anything, I do not give myself enough credit!

There are a bunch of things I was saying, one of them being that the buck stops at trolling assholes, and not trolling and screwing things up for the sake of screwing them up.

Friday said:
No, Tyrant, the problems were there long before you started posting. What you might have done, however, is made it easier for some to voice their longstanding grievances because of your DW dual.
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I can acknowledge things bubbling under the surface. What I find striking is that so much is being brought up to the surface by people, who then tie it to fuckups and rationalize the ties to current problems. For instance, people want reform, but act like it's a revolution, which, IMO, is letting irrelevant frustrations get in the way of real, productive change. I think people could learn from studying this nonsense on TK.

It's either a bump in the road, or it's a manifestation of terrible problems. It can't be both.

But the current unrest does not fall on your shoulders.
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Well screw you :rwmad:
 
Nick Walczak said:
The only problem with Wordforge for you is that no one liked you after what you did to Diacanu.
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Of course.

Because if one sees fit to criticize WF, the problem is within *them*, not the board.

This from a WF admin.

Sigh.

My friends, I give you Reason Number 437 why Wordforge will never change with the current administration.
 
Friday said:
No, Tyrant, the problems were there long before you started posting. What you might have done, however, is made it easier for some to voice their longstanding grievances because of your DW dual.

But the current unrest does not fall on your shoulders.
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I see you post this and watch Anna chime in. You know how I feel about posting in general. I support this board because it's the real thing. Every time there's a problem on another board (EVERY TIME)...we get an influx of posters, and voila! Suddenly everyone fucking appreciates TK. You better believe that, Friday.. I'm witnessing it 15th time over.

Tyrant is correct. It's EASY to influence seismic shifts for events like what just took place at WF. Personally, the hypocrisy there was bullshit. It's why I hate Anna. She's typical of the problem at WF and her showing up here riding the coattails of the REAL WF refugees underscores my point.
 
I registered last year when I had my last bout of disillusionment with WF. That was about the time my life started picking back up and I just never got around to posting here.

Plus a lot of bad mouthing from WF didn't help this place's reputation.
 
Why are we doing this?

(Steps out from behind desk)

Why can't Wordforge and TK peacefully co-exist?

Think of what we could accomplish! Think of the things we could do!

Wordforge (makes circle with fingers of right hand) and Troll Kingdom (makes smaller circle with fingers of left hand) Together!

Little people...can't we all just...get along?

[/jack nicholson in Mars Attacks]
 
jack: See, this is where you miss the point.
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So spell it out for me, jack. I think the problems with WF have been there for a long time and nothing Zodiac did really had much effect. Elwood banning GE was pretty much the last straw for some people, while others needed just a little more to push them over the edge... and of course the staff over the last month has given us no shortage of new material to bitch about. They're trying to fix things over there, but it may be too little too late. Personally I am just going through one of those phases where I don't post much anywhere, but TK is getting more of my time than WF these days.
 
jack said:
I see you post this and watch Anna chime in. You know how I feel about posting in general. I support this board because it's the real thing. Every time there's a problem on another board (EVERY TIME)...we get an influx of posters, and voila! Suddenly everyone fucking appreciates TK. You better believe that, Friday.. I'm witnessing it 15th time over.

Tyrant is correct. It's EASY to influence seismic shifts for events like what just took place at WF. Personally, the hypocrisy there was bullshit. It's why I hate Anna. She's typical of the problem at WF and her showing up here riding the coattails of the REAL WF refugees underscores my point.
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I think that's why I feel more comfortable here than WF. They are both trollboards, but WF is in denial about it. There's a forced sense of legitimacy there that doesn't quite ring true.

Here, you know what to expect. No blindsided, unexpected extreme trolling like WF. TK doesn't pretend to be above it all, then stab it's members in the back with shady, vicious behavior. The shady, vicious behavior is in full view. ;)

At the very least, if nothing else comes of this mess, some people's opinions of TK will have changed for the better by just participating here.
 
And Jeezus. Once you have been tarred with the Scarlet Letter, you are branded for life. Shit, how many years ago did you leave? And Nick [the Admin] still won't let it go. Or Tasvir. I mean, shit. He comes back to post in the Techman threads and everyone jumps him for shit he said years ago.

Meh. I was gonna say something else, but the whiskey stole it from my head. :(

OOH! That was it--or how about how, when they ran Tasvir off, they set his rep to Max Red. Har! Har! Good one! And when he came back no one even though about undoing it or apologizing. :gagh:
 
As I said. These *behaviors* are what's causing dissension at Wordforge. No amount of changing the rules is going to solve this problem, until the underlying causes are resolved.

And they won't be, until people aren't allowed to excessively troll, then claim when caught red-handed "I'm only human".

I have to admit, some people over there are masters of manipulating popular opinion, *to their own advantage*. However, no longer are they unquestioned by some. I think that's what is making them nervous. Their word is no longer golden.

I think the proof is in the pudding. One can claim fallibilty, and hope people respond positively. But when one goes back and does the same thing over and over, negatively impacting others' reputation and "name", until they drag out the "fallible" chestnut once again when exposed, *their* credibility slowly erodes to nothing.

As for me, I *was* a bit of a drama queen two years ago. I have grown, however, in both my online and RL, to the point where Storm(one of my biggest detractors two years ago, and now), didn't even recognize who I was as Friday. :shock:

And, having hung out here for two years, I'm not as easily trollable. Which pisses some self-proclaimed trolls off, no doubt.

Tas was railroaded, same I was. Yeah, I find his preferred racist troll offensive at times, but I see it as a troll, and have recognized the person behind it as a good, but a wee bit immature one. I was a main target of his until I refused to respond in kind. That fostered an understanding, and today we get along great. :)
 
Sure, Tasvir is an asshole.

He therefore got the asshole treatment. I should think that even here at TK, if you act like an asshole to everyone, consequences are inevitable. I imagine there's a few who've been chased out of here for the same reasons.

That's what freedom is. You're free to be assholes, but everyone else is free to be assholes right back. Same could be said for you, Friday - you're only over here because a lot of people at WF took a dislike to you...but you know what? They're free to do that.
 
T-Rex said:
Sure, Tasvir is an asshole.

He therefore got the asshole treatment. I should think that even here at TK, if you act like an asshole to everyone, consequences are inevitable. I imagine there's a few who've been chased out of here for the same reasons.

That's what freedom is. You're free to be assholes, but everyone else is free to be assholes right back. Same could be said for you, Friday - you're only over here because a lot of people at WF took a dislike to you...but you know what? They're free to do that.
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From what I observed, he escalated his shtick when he was being ganged up on. It was a typical WF "in-crowd" massacre.

Yes, people took a dislike to me at WF, but, again, that dislike was manipulated. And it was 2 years ago. If you compare my online behavior with some others' at WF in the past two years, you would find some others' behavior as far more extreme and damaging than mine. But are they singled out? Hmm. I wonder why.

Once branded at WF, you will always be branded, change in behavior to the contrary. That is a sign of an insular, unwelcoming board.

Yes, if you're branded an asshole here, you are given the TK treatment. The difference is one has a chance to reform here. Stop being an asshole, and you are accepted. Stop being an asshole at WF, and people aren't allowed to forget why you were branded in the first place.
 
Oh, and one other correction.

I am NOT "only over here because I was chased off WF".

There are *thousands* of bulletin boards I could have chosen as my home board. I've chosen TK because the atmosphere suits me, I've established a positive history and reputation, and the people here are more welcoming to newcomers than WF.

The trolling aspect of TK I have the, ahem, *freedom* to steer clear of, and I do. So no, TK isn't a default for me. It is a first choice.

Just correcting an incorrect impression.
 
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