UFO's - Do you believe?

[Mentalist]

What are your personal feelings on the Extra Terrestrial issue?

 

[SilentBtViolent]

Of course there is life out there.

Of course it has never visited earth unless you count whatever potential intrasolar contamination happened around the formation of the solar system.

 

[Starship Coyote]

I don't think the ET hypothesis and UFOs necessarily have to go hand in hand.

I think that, at the core, there's a very real phenomenon going on. I think a lot of crap has built up around it on several levels. I do not think aliens are involved.

For instance, the core phenomena could involve inhabitants of the Earth we can't see, or travelers from the future, or any number of things. It may boil down to a physical phenomenon we haven't discovered yet.

The likelihood of the ETH as an explanation for UFOs is actually pretty slim.

 

[SaintLucifer]

There is alien life in this very forum. His name is SAREK. Anyhow, I do believe there is alien life out there. It is impossible for there to be none. The odds of life appearing on only one planet when there are most certainly trillions upon trillions of planets out there in the Universe who share the same building blocks of life that earth had is nil. No doubt such aliens would like to be me.

 

[Enkephalen]

UFOs are closer to home. I believe they are experimental aircraft from the government. We have not been visited by anything except overactive imaginations.

 

[SaintLucifer]

UFOs are closer to home. I believe they are experimental aircraft from the government. We have not been visited by anything except overactive imaginations.

You believe the US government built them? Please. You guys can barely balance your budget never mind come up with such advanced technology. We had to teach you how to build NASA.

 

[Enkephalen]

Of course I believe that, otherwise I would not have posted it. I am not a purveyor of fantastical stories loaded with cwap like some I could name.

 

[SaintLucifer]

Of course I believe that, otherwise I would not have posted it. I am not a purveyor of fantastical stories loaded with cwap like some I could name.

Then why are they not in your military arsenal? With such craft the USA would be easily capable of conquering the entire planet. Since most Americans who visit this site believe this is the ultimate goal of the USA, why the delay??

 

[Enkephalen]

What a lot of silly prattle Luci. Can't take you seriously, because you make no sense. You need to go back and sit at the kids' table.

 

[Starship Coyote]

 

[The Question]

I couldn't, in all good conscience, select any of the poll options. I can't conclude, based on the available material out there, that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrials. But I can't conclude that humans are the only sentient life in the universe, either, because we humans don't have enough information from which to make that assertion with any confidence.

 

[Blindgroping]

With all the other stars that are detectable from the Earth, The possibility that We are the only sentient life is Nigh impossible.
Now add in all the stars and planets that We CAN'T detect, And for that matter, planes of reality or existence that we are unaware of, ...


Then of course, I don't think Humans are "Intelligent" enough to be considered among "Intelligent Life".

 

[The Question]

With all the other stars that are detectable from the Earth, The possibility that We are the only sentient life is Nigh impossible.
Now add in all the stars and planets that We CAN'T detect, And for that matter, planes of reality or existence that we are unaware of, ...

Well, the problem with that, BG, is that we can't use what we don't know for the purpose of establishing what we know. Does that make sense? We can't just arbitrarily reach conclusions based on a lack of information.

Then of course, I don't think Humans are "Intelligent" enough to be considered among "Intelligent Life".

Well, until we encounter someone or something more intelligent than we are -- and, of course, we would inevitably be forced to judge intelligence by our own limited standards -- we are so far the most intelligent species we've encountered.

 

[Blindgroping]

Well, the problem with that, BG, is that we can't use what we don't know for the purpose of establishing what we know. Does that make sense? We can't just arbitrarily reach conclusions based on a lack of information.

Ahhh!! But even science these days is using Absence as a method of finding things. They are using it to verify the existence of Black holes.

So, you Can use what you know you don't understand as a basis for understanding things better.

(remember, I believe in Wholly Logic)

 

[The Question]

Ahhh!! But even science these days is using Absence as a method of finding things. They are using it to verify the existence of Black holes.

So, you Can use what you know you don't understand as a basis for understanding things better.

(remember, I believe in Wholly Logic)

Well, that's inductive reasoning, and still relies on a basis of things we do know.

For example, if we can't directly prove a number is positive integer, we can prove that it isn't a negative integer and prove that it isn't zero -- that creates an indirect proof of a positive integer.

But in order to do that with UFOs, we would have to be able to categorically and exhaustively prove that they are not anything other than alien spacecraft before we could say that we had indirectly proven that that's what they are. And since there are so many phenomena we don't understand yet, it's impossible for us to demonstrate everything they're not. We really can't prove alien visitation through inductive proof, for that reason. Therefore, we need direct proof, and so far, there just isn't any.

 

[SaintLucifer]

^ All technology stolen from the Soviet Union