Hey great yeah. Thanks for your imput. It really helps lengthen the thread.
Your answer reminds me of your avatar. Or is it the other way around...
Why be involved in a ridiculous conversation?
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Hey great yeah. Thanks for your imput. It really helps lengthen the thread.
Your answer reminds me of your avatar. Or is it the other way around...
Why be involved in a ridiculous conversation?
Iyhara
I'm high
Fuck you. I'm not a horse.
And you should have simply asked instead of slipping me those roofies. I wouldn't have said no.
I would have just been evasive.
Said the horse when I was eating some delicious mushrooms.
Donovan
beer, I want beer
I know you wouldn't, but I'm not a young man any more, I'm not sure I can heal up as quickly as I used to, and I got enough scars. No may mean no, but snoring implies consent...
Archibald Nixon
anti-life coach
Interesting. We must discuss, but perhaps in another thread --and with Objectivists present.
I never give presents to Objectivists. They don't appreciate them like the rest of us.
/rimshot
From across the street.
You know it could be argued that a no w/ option isn't really a no at all. Regardless of context.
FBI parte due
Folces Weard
Fuck whatever question we're supposed to be talking about. I'm more interested in the implications raised by Bick's trying to flirt with Donovan via a poorly-concealed dual account.
Donovan
beer, I want beer
Not really, because circumstances may dictate a change in the mood and therefore the answer, but no is still a no. That's why I say, from the male standpoint, a no must be considered final. It's not the context, it's the consequences.
Look at it this way: If sex is put forth as a possibility during a date, frequently the subject of birth control comes up. The man can say, "I'm fixed," or "I can't have kids" or "I have a condom," or whatever else, and the woman may choose to believe him. However, the immediate consequences, if there are any, belong entirely to the woman (disregarding the semantics of courts and legal paternity cases etc). She is the one facing pregnancy and all the shit that comes with it; therefore, it falls to her to be ultimately responsible for birth control, whether she takes a pill, insists on a condom, or simply says "not tonight."
Conversely, no matter how many times a woman says "Maybe" or "Changed my mind" or "just kidding c'mere ya big lug" after first saying "No" to sex, the consequences legal and otherwise if she later cries rape belong entirely to the male. Therefore, it is his responsibility to protect himself just as it is hers to protect herself. He has to decide if "no means no" and the potential risks are just too great to leave that kind of thing to chance.
So legally, ethically, morally and logically, no has to mean no for the protection of both parties. At the very least, a "no" at an awkward time should cause the man to question the stability of his date for future reference.
And philosophically?
I don't know if you're going to be able to get the girls to release their option to option by arguing the legal/ethical/moral/logical. Clearly no doesn't always mean no but should. You know it. I know it. Most (if not all) women know it but I'd say don't like it.
So would you say no has ever meant yes (sexually speaking) in the span of the experience? And if so, why has the meaning come to require examination and correction? Additionally if that is the case what might be the long term ramifications to the sexual heath and welfare of the species if any?
Donovan
beer, I want beer
I find it's extremely easy to get women to release their "no" option, simply by never trying for sex on the first date. Not only does it free me up to have a good time without worrying about whether I'm gonna get a leg up later, but it invariably drives my date insane wondering what might be wrong with her that I'm not responding to her seductive efforts. By the second date, sometimes we don't make it to dinner. And sometimes even on the first date I don't make it to my car. Eliminate the question, and you eliminate the possibility of a negative answer.
As to your second question on the viability of the species: all our debates and language nuances and finer points of consensual sex fly right out the fucking window with two truths: first, sexual activity and reproduction is the strongest instinctive behavior of any species on the planet, including humans;
and second, that goes for both sexes. I don't think we're in any danger.
Love Child
One Love
OMG Just Fuck Already
Donovan
beer, I want beer
Yup, that's what usually happens.