Babs on PBS...

[Number_6]

I've taken a page from your book, and I'm drinking a glass of Arbor Mist Strawberry Zinfindel. It does give you keyboard courage...

What in God's green earth ever gave you the impression that you had the right to say those things to me? Who the hell do you think you are?

Why the hell do you come over here and troll me? You push and push and push, but then get pissy when you finally get the response you've spent the last several hours engendering. You pick a fight, but then you're surprised when you get one.

You want to be able to impose your self on others, and expect them to simply allow you to do it.

 

[Friday]

Why the hell do you come over here and troll me? You push and push and push, but then get pissy when you finally get the response you've spent the last several hours engendering. You pick a fight, but then you're surprised when you get one.

You want to be able to impose your self on others, and expect them to simply allow you to do it.

Not true. I do not troll you. I speak my position on any number of topics. I'm sorry if you take my viewpoints personally, but they are genuine.

If my actively seeking a fun debate with you is considered pushing, I will stop. Totally.

You remind me of WF in that way. You label "trolling" anything that you don't agree with.

We both have extremely strong opinions, that happen to be diametrically opposed. I enjoy defending my position to you. Perhaps you do not return the affinity. I will stop.

Fine. Consider me out of your forum. It seems you want a debating forum, without the debate.

 

[Friday]

I've changed my mind. I'm not going anywhere. I'll piss you off far more if I hang around.

That whole relationship, man/woman insight thing you had going? Bullshit. You don't know me well enough to make those conclusions. What you know, I've allowed you to know, and that ain't the whole picture.

Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet...

 

[The Question]

Okay, you bastard. You asked for it...

It's pretty easy sitting on your couch, spouting psuedo insightful shit, when you are three sheets to the wind, half the time. Damn, even your custom user title reflects your current state of inebriation. I suggest watching the film, Days Of Wine And Roses, with Jack Lemmon. It might be painful to screen, due to the fact that it'll be like watching home movies. But the closer you get to admitting you're an alcoholic, the faster you can do something about it.

Remember, YOU opened the drawer first, this time....

Sorry, but I'm stone dead sober, and 6 is right. A relationship that works is a relationship of give and take, and I don't mean one where the guy does all the giving and the gal does all the taking, which does seem to be the feminist fantasy, based on my experience and the experience of many others who've been there.

And you'd do well to refrain from referencing the media as a means to education. As a writer, I can "educate" an audience to believe anything, no matter how absurd -- that's part of the job.

 

[Friday]

You just said the same thing Number_6 said, but without getting personal.

I applaud that.

And wonder why he has such an inability to do it. I think it's the sadistic streak in him...

 

[Friday]

As for my pseudo-insight, have you ever stopped to think that perhaps a combination of leading an interesting and eventful life...

In SoCal? Honey, I guarantee I've lived a far more interesting life there by just visiting every so often...

...and spending a great deal of time reading the fictional and non-fictional accounts of the lives of others might have provided me with just a bit of insight into the human condition? One doesn't engage in such deep encounters with the minds of others without starting to get a feel for people.

Funny, I see pontificating, but not a genuine "feel". You think you know the machinations of people, but when it comes down to it...you're just as clueless as everyone else.

Twice married is no big deal, but it is an indication that your "feel' isn't foolproof, eh?

 

[Big Dick McGee]

Funny story about Babs:

Back in 2000 or 2001, California was experiencing rolling blackouts, a result of high energy demand and low supply. Ms. Streisand, ever the Concerned Environmentalist, urged her fellow Californians to conserve energy wherever and whenever possible. Turn off lights when you leave the room, don't keep three TV sets running, etc.

Turns out ol' Babsy actually spent almost all her time at her home in upstate NY at that time, though she did keep a place in SoCal. It also was revealed that the house in SoCal was kept at a nice, cozy temperature of 60 degrees, year-round, even though no one was living in the house. It was vacant. Seems the constant use of commercial-grade A/C was necessary to keep Ms. Striesand's fur coats in good shape.

Just thought I'd share that.

 

[The Question]

You just said the same thing Number_6 said, but without getting personal.

I applaud that.

And wonder why he has such an inability to do it. I think it's the sadistic streak in him...

I only do it this way because it appears to be an effective approach. I can only assume that 6 does it his way because it amuses him to do so; and let's not forget that his way of dealing with you is more in keeping with the spirit of the board.

 

[Friday]

I called in sick today. I used the excuse of the flu that's going around to cover up my raging hangover.

Anyway....

TQ, this is my take.

Number_6 and I are two sides of the same coin. He is the critically logical, calm side, and I am the intensely passionate (not necessarily sexual), frenetic side. We are drawn to each other's persona because we bring out those characteristics we see lacking in ourselves. We subconsciously manipulate conversations to encourage that dynamic.

Then again, you may be right. In that case, he is a manipulative bastard.

It can go either way...

 

[Friday]

A little clarification, please...

Yawn. I haven't had a drink all day. Latte with breakfast, San Pelligrino the rest of the day (I will confess to a mild addiction to mineral water), save for a Vitamin Water at the gym (Dragonfruit flavor, whatever the hell that is). Had a glass of Chardonnay with the salmon last night, and two glasses the night before with some pasta fagioli. The last time I had a cocktail was Friday night, I think. Might have been Thursday. The last time I was drunk was months ago, and it was the fault of our gracious host, who provided me with far too many interesting wines to sample. Should have spit in the bucket, but I didn't have to drive, so . . .

If it's past 8PM, I'm tipsy. Save on Wednesdays.

Well, which one is it? Which is the truth, and which was just a manipulation?

 

[The Question]

Then again, you may be right. In that case, he is a manipulative bastard.

It can go either way...

I don't see how he's being manipulative -- he's just speaking his mind in a way that satisfies him, which has a good bit of an edge to it. You'll notice I don't mind clearing leather with other posters my own self, but in your case, I know that isn't the style of communication that's going to have the best odds of complete reception.

 

[Friday]

I don't see how he's being manipulative -- he's just speaking his mind in a way that satisfies him, which has a good bit of an edge to it.

But when someone responds in kind, they are "trolling". What kind of a hypocritical double standard is that?

You'll notice I don't mind clearing leather with other posters my own self, but in your case, I know that isn't the style of communication that's going to have the best odds of complete reception.

I have noticed, and I appreciate that. Which begs the question (no pun intended)...

If you could figure that out, why can't he? Does he truly want to enlighten, or does he just want to have his opinions heard?

I've seen the moderate, reasonable, open-minded, kind Number_6. It frustrates the hell out of me that he remains hidden.

Then again, this is a troll board. I think I expect too much.

 

[Number_6]

Because while you may be termporarily placated by the types of responses The Question provides, it is inevitable that you will soon come running back here spouting some version of the same nonsense it appeared he had made you think carefully about.

I am not interested in educating you. It is a waste of time. As soon as you can find some other moonbat who agrees with your particular brand of insanity, you feel re-justified in your muddled and messy thinking, and nothing is accomplished.

In short, there is little point in engaging in the same essential argument ad infinitum, particularly when you refuse to follow the basic laws of logic and evidence.

 

[Friday]

You're an idiot. I do listen to what you have to say. After all, you had a huge hand in repairing a major rift in a very significant relationship in my life. Your words are serving me well, to this day.

However, I'm never going to be your mirror image. I will never internalize all of your musings. Though it is helpful to explore different views, the ultimate choice of accepting them is mine, and mine alone. Allowing people to make their own political and philosophical choices is something you should consider. You will have to accept that there are people that will choose to think differently than you, and tolerate their beliefs. You will also have to realize that differing political viewpoints do not necessarily make for an evil person. Finding the good in a "lefty" is something you struggle with, it seems.

I apologize for the "alcoholic" post last night. It was hitting below the belt.

 

[Friday]

Last Thought...

You simply must let me find my own political and philosophical path in life. You need to stop forcing me into your pre-formed mold. I will never fit.

Let me be who I am.

 

[Dual]