Sarek said:“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” - George W. Bush, December 9, 2005
did he realy say that then?
Sarek said:“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” - George W. Bush, December 9, 2005
Sarek said:“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” - George W. Bush, December 9, 2005
Ogami said:And yet Photoshopping photos doesn't make it true, does it?
Ogami said:President Bush takes his oath of office very seriously, certainly more seriously than the previous occupant of the White House. And part of that oath is to do his utmost defend this country.
Ogami said:Leaving Al Queda alone would not be doing his utmost. Leaving Saddam Hussein alone would not be doing his utmost. Leaving North Korea, or Iran, or any other troublemakers alone would not be doing his utmost.
Ogami said:Democrats claim Bush does not respect the Constitution, when in fact every one of Bush's actions is done because he respects the Constitution. To have failed to act, to have left Saddam Hussein or Islamic terrorists to their own devices, that would have been a betrayal of his oath of office.
Ogami said:Democrats have swept into power offering quick fixes and even snake oil promises for sick people. Yet no one expected Truman to have rebuilt Japan and Germany to perfection three years after WWII, yet that is what is expected regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. The Democrats have promised the quick fixes, we'll see how they handle it.
And coming up with an Al Queda Bill of Rights, no hyperbole, is a hilarious start to their looney reign.
-Ogami
bad dog said:Drinks some more Koolaid. :roll:
Don't do that.Ogami said:Not anymore, we won't.
Ogami said:Sarek wrote:
It's more tangible than your arguments apparently. You seem to forget, the Democrats won. Bush and the Republicans have screwed up and your views are the minority views now.
Democrats have retaken power with phony promises of quick fixes for everything from Iraq to Parkinson's disease. I'm eager to see their immediate and swift fixes for all of the country's problems. My guess is they'll just investigate Halliburton for 2 years and not do shit. What are the odds I'll be proven correct?
The Constitution and its principles ARE this country. It's the very foundation on which our system and our way of life are built upon.
Obviously if Bush did anything outside the Constitution as you suggest, he would be impeached. Yet neither Harry Reid nor Nancy Pelosi seriously entertain such hot air. And that's all it is, hot air to win the 2006 election. That election is over, you might as well admit that lie was just for political gain and nothing more.
Al Queda: Um, where’s Osama?
Saddam Hussein: Um, where’s Osama?
As you remember from the 2002 and 2004 elections, the cry of "where's Osama" was just political hot air. Those elections are over, drop the silly complaint. Having a President Gore or President Kerry would in no way have found Bin Laden faster. So what's your stupid complaint? It's stupid to be concerned about one man, when we've cut off Al Queda's worldwide finances, Al-Qeuda's worldwide havens, Al-Queda's worldwide operations. They're hurting bad, and the proof is in no new 9/11s, not their resolve to commit more attacks.
Through our history, the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution have been threatened in war by government and then reaffirmed in peace by calmer heads.
Nothing President Bush has done has even REMOTELY approached the civil liberties that Franklin Delano Roosevelt suspended, and he is the HERO of the "calmer heads" you cite!
President Bush has not started racial profiling at our airports, like El Al has. President Bush has NOT placed all arab-americans in concentration camps, although that is PRECISELY what Liberal Democrat God FDR did in World War II.
That's not ancient history, there are people still alive who remember what FDR did. Nothing Bush has done has been remotely comparable. Indeed, the provisions of the Patriot Act are the provisions that the vaunted 9/11 Commission say should have been enacted before September 11th 2001. Our country would not have had the political will to do that as you know, as the Democrats would have screamed BLOODY MURDER had Bush enacted a single one of the 9/11 Commission recommendations on security. Well, the Democrats did that anyway, didn't they? They have no shame.
Sarek, the bottom line is that YOU KNOW the complaints about 1) Osama not caught 2) our Constitution being burned and 3) Halliburton profiteering were all phony canards used to get Democrats elected. Well they're elected now, and you can drop the lie that moveon.org and the rest of the Democrat establishment told you to push.
Democrats WON'T catch Osama any faster, Democrats WON'T impeach Bush for allegedly burning the Constitution, and Democrats WON'T be leading Halliburton executives off to the slammer in handcuffs. That was all a lie, not so that "calmer heads" could take over, but so that Democrats could lie their way back into POWER.
It's all about POWER, and the Democratic party has proven there is nothing they won't stoop to to regain it, even if it meant DIVIDING OUR COUNTRY IN A TIME OF WAR. They did it, they gained power by those lies, and now we are stuck with their rule. But don't continue their lies when you know full well the motives they were voiced for. Naked power, nothing more.
-Ogami
I was addressing Luci's post, mainly. You're swatting at thin air and claiming to be taking part in armageddon. Please take your head out of your ass before posting something, so as to make reading it somewhat worthwhile. Thanks.Ogami said:Two dismissive responses, and you tell me you want to debate.
Messenger said:Have they actually caught any new shoebombers, dirty bombers, etc?
Ogami said:Two dismissive responses, and you tell me you want to debate.
The Democrats were willing to tell any lie in their pursuit of power, and they have achieved that end. Yet it was people like SAREK and MESSENGER that have been lied to all these years, not me.
Ogami said:You swallowed the lies wholesale about Bush and the war on terror, you were played for dupes, you were played for suckers. And my proof is that every prediction I just made will come true.
Ogami said:The Democrats WILL NOT put Halliburton executives in prison, that was just moveon.org hate to get your vote.
The Democrats WILL NOT impeach Bush, that was just moveon.org hate to get your vote.
The Democrats WILL NOT cure a single disease, that was just moveon.org hate to get your vote.
Ogami said:Now that the Democrats are in power, they have no need for their brainwashed suckers, they will not put in all the changes they've been screaming at you all these years. Prepare for disappointment on a massive scale, as none of the conspiracy crap they filled your heads with will pan out. They used you to regain power, and now that they have it, out go the kooks and conspiracy theorists who got them there.
Ogami said:LOL And you think I'm whining? You and the rest of the Bush-haters are the ones that are going to be tossed by the wayside. Enjoy it.
No, it would suggest that villains they haven't caught don't exist to begin with, at least in the sense we should be led to believe. If there were any caught the news would be plastered all over town.SaintLucifer said:I thank you for making my point for me. This would suggest Bush has done his job.
Messenger said:No, it would suggest that villains they haven't caught don't exist to begin with, at least in the sense we should be led to believe. If there were any caught the news would be plastered all over town.
I quote SaintLucifer, and Ogami then turned at me. Going blind, dingbat?Queen Noodle said:lol...thats why you addressed Ogami in your post!
Sarek said:http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/16/D8DTOTT00.html
Over 14 thousand currently remain in US "custody"
Wisdom isn't a necessary tool when faced with dealing with someone like you. You, and your kind represent everything that is wrong with this country.
You blame the masses for the actions of a few, you advocate the extermination of an entire group of people due to fear, intolerance and the inability and unwillingness to accept or understand.
Prove to me that every person detained by the US is an enemy combatant or a terrorist. Because they are Muslim or Arab is not proof.
Sarek said:It's more tangible than your arguments apparently. You seem to forget, the Democrats won. Bush and the Republicans have screwed up and your views are the minority views now.
The Constitution and its principles ARE this country. It's the very foundation on which our system and our way of life are built upon.
Al Queda: Um, where’s Osama?
Saddam Hussein: Um, where’s Osama?
North Korea: And we’re doing what? Frankly, Korea’s not our problem. His neighbors might be a bit worried though. That’s about as far away as he can hit. What’s really amazing though is the fact that you and Gurty aren’t calling for the extermination of all Asians because North Korea is acting like a little weenie.
Iran: Israel’s a bigger problem than Iran is at the moment. But what the hell, we LIKE them.
Through our history, the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution have been threatened in war by government and then reaffirmed in peace by calmer heads. The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus, the suppression of free speech during and after World War I, the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, McCarthyism, and the wiretapping of Vietnam-era dissenters, all were seen as violations of our freedoms and embarrassments to our heritage. Bush’s presidency is another era of overreaction at the expense of constitutional rights.
This president claims an inherent power to imprison American citizens whom he has determined to be enemies of this country WITHOUT obtaining a warrant, letting them hear the charges against them, or following other safeguards against wrongful punishment guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Under this administration, the government has engaged in inhumane treatment of prisoners that amounts to torture. When Congress passed legislation to ban such treatment, he declared he would simply interpret the law his own way. Although the Constitution says treaties are the “supreme law of the land,” this president has abrogated them on his own. And, he ordered a secret program of electronic surveillance of Americans without court warrants.
What’s more dangerous than any of these specific abuses and usurpations is the theory of inherent powers that Bush invokes to justify most of these actions and the possibility of it being effectively institutionalized by a then meek Congress and, worst of all, by a deferential Supreme Court.
In 1944, Justice Robert H. Jackson dissented from the majority in Korematsu, the infamous Supreme Court decision in the midst of war upholding the constitutionality of the military order to intern Japanese Americans. A judicial construction sustaining the program, he wrote, “is a far more subtle blow to liberty than the promulgation of the order itself.” For by rationalizing the order, “the Court for all time has validated the principle of racial discrimination in criminal procedure and of transplanting American citizens.
The real danger is the loaded weapon that Bush and his defenders are willing to put in the hands of all future presidents. Members of his own party ought to be able to see that danger, and act to stop it.
Americans have been slow to react to Bush’s actions because the great majority of them no more identify with the Arabs who are the chief targets of the “war on terrorism” than the majority in the 1940s identified with their fellow citizens of Japanese descent. But the principles that Bush is undermining protect us all. Our Constitution divides the president’s authority with Congress and the courts so as to create a system of mandatory consultations. That requirement does not make injustice and misuse of power impossible, but it makes them less likely. To survive, the system chiefly requires that if those in power cannot remember our traditions, they can at least imagine themselves out of power in the future.
The Supreme Court could have been counted on to restore the checks that Bush has thrust aside. But the confirmation of the president’s two nominees to the Court now tilt it in his direction. The common element of the new justices is not their political conservatism, but their history of support for a broad construction of executive powers.
The effect of a changed court and a state of perpetual war could radically distort our whole constitutional framework. An increasing number of Republicans have expressed doubts about the legality of Bush’s surveillance program. But the real battle is about general principles applied across a wide range of policies. If the voters elect a Democratic president in 2008, even the Court’s new justices may discover constitutional reasons to limit the president’s inherent powers. Wouldn’t that be interesting?
There’s not a whole lot I can say to that because it’s pretty much the lunatic ranting of a disgruntled right-winger. The Republicans found out the hard way that in a democracy, those who cannot imagine being out of power deserve another experience of being without it.
Rafterman said:And twice on Sunday.
Actually, we may have more too fear from a disaffected ex-GI. Another Tim Mcveigh type who's plenty pissed at Dubya, Rummy, Dead Eye Dick, et al
Leave us hope we're not in their way when they exact their pound of flesh.
Actually, we may have more too fear from a disaffected ex-GI. Another Tim Mcveigh type who's plenty pissed at Dubya, Rummy, Dead Eye Dick, et al
SaintLucifer said:With the new Patriot Act in place? Clearly a MORON aren't you? Rather difficult to plan any terrorist acts when you are living in the USA. The mere fact you would compare a disaffected ex-GI with the Muslim fruitcakes would suggest you are not exactly firing on all cylinders.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:And they are all innocent "peaceful" muslim goatherds, aren't they?
Gurk_MacGuintey said:My kind bit this country so pussies like you could live here and be free. Your kind would have been too cowardly to take a stand.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:I'm afraid I understand Islam and what drives the muslim mind far, far more than one of your feeble intellect is able to.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:I call for the eradictation of an evil fascist ideology called Islam, much the same as Winston Churchill called for the eradication of an evil fascist ideology called Nazism in the 1930's. Back then the leftist "peacenik" crowd called Churchill a hate-filled intolerant bigot Imperialist using almost exactly the same language as you are using against me. History proved Churchill correct and his critics are called "appeasers" and cowards.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:History will prove me correct as well, you cowardly appeaser.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:Prove to me that the jihad mentality is only representative of "a few"? Did you check out the show on CNN tonight about Islam? I think it's on again - check it out, Sarek. It's CNN! Your favorite communist News Network.
Gurk_MacGuintey said:Please attribute your cut n pastes. I understand plagiarizing is a standard tactic of the brain dead lefties, but you certainly aren't dumb enough to think no one here would have read that elsewhere, are you?