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Does Ogami support Israel?
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Ogami
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I'm not a Marine. Marines are jarheads. But I am a soldier. Just not for Israel.
And I was thrilled to watch Bush and Blair announce today (well yesterday) that they supported a multi-national peacekeeping force to go to Lebanon. The Lebanese have been suffering for decades now. Either they're being invaded by Israel one minute, or Syria the next, or worse the Iranians through Hezbollah.
A multi-national force goes in, shoots anyone in the aforementioned groups that is in Lebanon, and maybe the place might become livable again. Goodness knows tourism pretty much sucks in Beirut these days.
-Ogami
And I was thrilled to watch Bush and Blair announce today (well yesterday) that they supported a multi-national peacekeeping force to go to Lebanon. The Lebanese have been suffering for decades now. Either they're being invaded by Israel one minute, or Syria the next, or worse the Iranians through Hezbollah.
A multi-national force goes in, shoots anyone in the aforementioned groups that is in Lebanon, and maybe the place might become livable again. Goodness knows tourism pretty much sucks in Beirut these days.
-Ogami
Ok, good way of not coming off as a one-sided person.
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
Ogami
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Zodiac wrote:
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
Was Helen of Troy really the reason for the Trojan War? No, she was a mere pretext, although recovering her certainly was on the agenda. The same for Israel. As Hezbollah has expressed in several interviews, they were shocked that Israel wasn't going to go for the usual prisoner exchange program they had gone along with in the past. Israel apparently got pissed off enough to go all-out.
But Hezbollah, while surprised, is not a victim here. As Israeli troops move through southern Lebanon, they have uncovered cache after cache, bunker after bunker, filled with documents showing that (in their words) Hezbollah has been preparing for war for over two years now. So both sides were eager for war, it just seems Israel started things much sooner than Hezbollah planned.
Israel has done this before, of course. The Arabs were greatly surprised in the Six-Day War, despite the steady build-up of Arab armies surrounding Israel over weeks, it was the Arabs who were taken by surprise.
I guess if you fail to learn from history, you will repeat it. As Hezbollah has to their chagrin. And for some reason, using children and ambulances and UN stations as human shields hasn't worked for them. Who did they think they were fighting? Americans?
-Ogami
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
Was Helen of Troy really the reason for the Trojan War? No, she was a mere pretext, although recovering her certainly was on the agenda. The same for Israel. As Hezbollah has expressed in several interviews, they were shocked that Israel wasn't going to go for the usual prisoner exchange program they had gone along with in the past. Israel apparently got pissed off enough to go all-out.
But Hezbollah, while surprised, is not a victim here. As Israeli troops move through southern Lebanon, they have uncovered cache after cache, bunker after bunker, filled with documents showing that (in their words) Hezbollah has been preparing for war for over two years now. So both sides were eager for war, it just seems Israel started things much sooner than Hezbollah planned.
Israel has done this before, of course. The Arabs were greatly surprised in the Six-Day War, despite the steady build-up of Arab armies surrounding Israel over weeks, it was the Arabs who were taken by surprise.
I guess if you fail to learn from history, you will repeat it. As Hezbollah has to their chagrin. And for some reason, using children and ambulances and UN stations as human shields hasn't worked for them. Who did they think they were fighting? Americans?
-Ogami
Ogami said:
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
Actually, Israel has violated several international treaties in acting the way it has. It goes far beyon Israel simply being pissed off, as though if we can reduce nations to being simple people.
Israel has carried out so many war crimes that I wouldn't know where to begin with them.
The fact that the US supports them so must stem from the fact that AIPAC donates so handsomely to the candidate coffers.
Everything I have stated is documented fact. The US claims to desire a peace while supplying Israel with nuclear bunker-busters and masses of ammunition.
Yes, they are.
The 2 Israeli soldiers, used as a pretext for the invasion, were caught on the Lebanese side of the border. Furthermore, Israel has a history of using duplicitous methods towards involving soldiers of foreign nations towards fighting their battles (Mainly the US)
LOL. Have they? How is it that Israel has been planning for such an incursion for years now?
Yeah. Israel did another false-flag bullshit operation, in which the ever-so innocent Jews were attacked without remorse by the 'Billion Arabs who want to drive them into the sea.'
Yep.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Lebanese_Doctor_Says_Phosphorus_0724.html
My arguments obviously seem bellicose, but that is because I've been exposed to what I percieve to be a greater picture of the whole affair. I ask that you view the links I present, and we can continue this further.
Ogami
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Zodiac wrote:
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
I think it's a wonderful idea. Israel has sent the very strong message that the lives of even one or two of their soldiers is worth more than the whole of Hezbollah. Now Israel did have the option of caving to Hezbollah, and thereby encourage future kidnappings. It seems they didn't take that option, how strange.
Actually, Israel has violated several international treaties in acting the way it has. It goes far beyon Israel simply being pissed off, as though if we can reduce nations to being simple people.
Oh really? What international treaty did Israel sign that insists they simply lie down and die? That would be a pretty stupid treaty for them to have signed, don't you think? "We're sorry Israel, but you signed a treaty saying you would just stand around with your thumb up your ass if Hezbollah rockets land in civilian neighborhoods and your soldiers are kidnapped and tortured to death. Remember, you have to abide by the rules even if you enemies do not."
Israel has carried out so many war crimes that I wouldn't know where to begin with them.
Chief among them would be defending themselves against those who wish them all dead. This is an ongoing war crime, to be continued.
The fact that the US supports them so must stem from the fact that AIPAC donates so handsomely to the candidate coffers.
Or it could just be the fact that when one considers the Palestinians danced for joy on 9/11 on every street, America has a much better friend in Israel than Palestine. (Although that's obviously not the popular view on this message board.)
Everything I have stated is documented fact. The US claims to desire a peace while supplying Israel with nuclear bunker-busters and masses of ammunition.
It's a documented fact that 5 million Jews are not bullying their 500 million surrounding neighbors. That's ludicrous.
Yes, they are.
Oh, Hezbollah is the victim? Here I thought Israel was just after civilian targets. I guess Hezbollah's P.R. campaign isn't wholly successful.
The 2 Israeli soldiers, used as a pretext for the invasion, were caught on the Lebanese side of the border.
You really expect anyone to believe that Hezbollah is concerned with legal borders? Every inch of Israel is an illegal border to them! LOL
Furthermore, Israel has a history of using duplicitous methods towards involving soldiers of foreign nations towards fighting their battles (Mainly the US)
Is there a single arab who can point to their own leaders and blame THEM for their multitude of military defeats at the hands of Israel? No, it's always a zionist conspiracy or an American conspiracy or some such nonsense. Small wonder the arab world has such failures as military commmanders, because according to them, they've never lost a battle!
Such willful ignorance may keep arab populations docile and hating Israel, but you'll have a much harder time convincing anyone of that outside of such countries, Zodiac.
LOL. Have they? How is it that Israel has been planning for such an incursion for years now?
It's just a hunch, but I would imagine Israel would not leave their collective security in the hands of their enemies. Imagine that, they actually want to live! Must be part of that "illegal, duplicitous" behavior you're complaining about there.
My arguments obviously seem bellicose, but that is because I've been exposed to what I percieve to be a greater picture of the whole affair.
The greater picture is that Israel would have been wiped off the map before either of our lifetimes save for the total lack of "arab unity". Pan-arabism died with Nasser, and no arab leader since him has managed to put aside the squabbles between 'brother arabs'. Suffice to say that various terrorist groups are not happy with this state of affairs, and will continue trying to win P.R. wars with gullible westerners sympathetic to their cause. But since victories do not count for much in the real world.
I ask that you view the links I present, and we can continue this further.
I perused both, and since it is obvious that you Zodiac ask Israel to put up with such images of their own people, I fail to see the point. Hezbollah has no trouble taking the faces off of the hated zionist babies' faces, and Israel's "crime" is taking the battle back to them. Why does Zodiac think it is a normal state of affairs for Hezbollah to be kidnapping soldiers and firing vollies of rockets from Lebanon and the Gaza strip?
You can't answer that, can you? Didn't think so.
-Ogami
Tell me, what is your opinion on the fact that Israel bases the entire conflict on two kidnapped soldiers who where caught inside of Lebanon to being with, and then added the casus belli of rocket attacks to some atrocious list?
I think it's a wonderful idea. Israel has sent the very strong message that the lives of even one or two of their soldiers is worth more than the whole of Hezbollah. Now Israel did have the option of caving to Hezbollah, and thereby encourage future kidnappings. It seems they didn't take that option, how strange.
Actually, Israel has violated several international treaties in acting the way it has. It goes far beyon Israel simply being pissed off, as though if we can reduce nations to being simple people.
Oh really? What international treaty did Israel sign that insists they simply lie down and die? That would be a pretty stupid treaty for them to have signed, don't you think? "We're sorry Israel, but you signed a treaty saying you would just stand around with your thumb up your ass if Hezbollah rockets land in civilian neighborhoods and your soldiers are kidnapped and tortured to death. Remember, you have to abide by the rules even if you enemies do not."
Israel has carried out so many war crimes that I wouldn't know where to begin with them.
Chief among them would be defending themselves against those who wish them all dead. This is an ongoing war crime, to be continued.
The fact that the US supports them so must stem from the fact that AIPAC donates so handsomely to the candidate coffers.
Or it could just be the fact that when one considers the Palestinians danced for joy on 9/11 on every street, America has a much better friend in Israel than Palestine. (Although that's obviously not the popular view on this message board.)
Everything I have stated is documented fact. The US claims to desire a peace while supplying Israel with nuclear bunker-busters and masses of ammunition.
It's a documented fact that 5 million Jews are not bullying their 500 million surrounding neighbors. That's ludicrous.
Yes, they are.
Oh, Hezbollah is the victim? Here I thought Israel was just after civilian targets. I guess Hezbollah's P.R. campaign isn't wholly successful.
The 2 Israeli soldiers, used as a pretext for the invasion, were caught on the Lebanese side of the border.
You really expect anyone to believe that Hezbollah is concerned with legal borders? Every inch of Israel is an illegal border to them! LOL
Furthermore, Israel has a history of using duplicitous methods towards involving soldiers of foreign nations towards fighting their battles (Mainly the US)
Is there a single arab who can point to their own leaders and blame THEM for their multitude of military defeats at the hands of Israel? No, it's always a zionist conspiracy or an American conspiracy or some such nonsense. Small wonder the arab world has such failures as military commmanders, because according to them, they've never lost a battle!
Such willful ignorance may keep arab populations docile and hating Israel, but you'll have a much harder time convincing anyone of that outside of such countries, Zodiac.
LOL. Have they? How is it that Israel has been planning for such an incursion for years now?
It's just a hunch, but I would imagine Israel would not leave their collective security in the hands of their enemies. Imagine that, they actually want to live! Must be part of that "illegal, duplicitous" behavior you're complaining about there.
My arguments obviously seem bellicose, but that is because I've been exposed to what I percieve to be a greater picture of the whole affair.
The greater picture is that Israel would have been wiped off the map before either of our lifetimes save for the total lack of "arab unity". Pan-arabism died with Nasser, and no arab leader since him has managed to put aside the squabbles between 'brother arabs'. Suffice to say that various terrorist groups are not happy with this state of affairs, and will continue trying to win P.R. wars with gullible westerners sympathetic to their cause. But since victories do not count for much in the real world.
I ask that you view the links I present, and we can continue this further.
I perused both, and since it is obvious that you Zodiac ask Israel to put up with such images of their own people, I fail to see the point. Hezbollah has no trouble taking the faces off of the hated zionist babies' faces, and Israel's "crime" is taking the battle back to them. Why does Zodiac think it is a normal state of affairs for Hezbollah to be kidnapping soldiers and firing vollies of rockets from Lebanon and the Gaza strip?
You can't answer that, can you? Didn't think so.
-Ogami
