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EI Guideline Vote

OMG! They zeroed out all of the previous votes! And, if you previously voted, you can't vote again! (according to Lil's post, at least).

Hehehe.....How funny!
 
Godeskian said:
God forbid a moderator should excersise his or her own judgement instead of slavishly following the rules.

Oh wait, that was what we were told we SHOULD have been doing in HF's case.

Funny how mod interpretation is a good thing one day and 'not good' the other.
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That depends on the rule(s), I think.

If the rules suck, then by all means... don't do it. And it seems to me that a few of us over there have been realizing that we got pretty sucky guidelines last time.

Now we're being asked to vote for guidelines that have equal or greater suckiness (in parts of them... I like the first part being shortened up, for example), with no discussion period beforehand.

To top it all off, this suffers a mysterious reset of votes. Sorry, but I can't call it anything but mysterious, given what's been going on lately.

Oh, and also... if the membership starts discussing, if we start acting like civilized people, it's great to be allowed to continue to do so. This is a generic remark meant for any EI staffer reading this thread, or anybody, really.
 
Anakam said:
That depends on the rule(s), I think.

If the rules suck, then by all means... don't do it. And it seems to me that a few of us over there have been realizing that we got pretty sucky guidelines last time.

Now we're being asked to vote for guidelines that have equal or greater suckiness (in parts of them... I like the first part being shortened up, for example), with no discussion period beforehand.

To top it all off, this suffers a mysterious reset of votes. Sorry, but I can't call it anything but mysterious, given what's been going on lately.

Oh, and also... if the membership starts discussing, if we start acting like civilized people, it's great to be allowed to continue to do so. This is a generic remark meant for any EI staffer reading this thread, or anybody, really.
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Sometimes you make too much sense.
 
RobL said:
Hang out with me, and you will. :bigass:
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What, hanging out with Cait and HF isn't enough? ;)

And I do think I may have agreed with you somewhere over at EI in the past year... hopefully that won't get researched too much. :D
 
HeroicFool said:
Which camp do you see yourself in? What about the rest of the staff at EI in general?
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Shrug, telling you where I see myself would be rather self-serving wouldn't it?

and I'd give you my opinion on the rest of the staff, but not only would I expect you not to believe me, I'd be surprised if I wasn't openly ridiculed for my opinion because mine is based on insider knowledge.

I know exactly how long the debates go on before decisions are made, and how few times any sort of knee-jerk reaction to censorship and bannigns have been done.

But I can't make anyone believe me unfortunately.
 
Caitriona said:
I see they found a way to keep AQG under control. An interesting approach. Stupid, but interesting.
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So now there will just be less variety.

So no one can question a ban or a permaban ever again? How could they? They will be banned, and no one else can speak up about any injustice? What a sweet deal for the Staff. I really never thought it could get this obvious.
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*jumps off the cliff of mentioning That Other Place*

Not only that, but if Slipstream had this rule, there wouldn't have been the, what was it... three? five? threads asking for consideration about HF and why there shouldn't be permabans for 'regular' members, etc.

ShadowIce, under these rules, Nikki Blue could have never brought your indefinite suspension to the attention of the board. The HF thread wouldn't exist, course that is the whole point now isn't it? It'll now all get neatly swept under the carpet and out of sight.

Now no one will ever be able to speak up for someone whose been silenced. Nice trick. I seem to remember a similar rule on TrekBBS and SS. *shakes head*
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I missed that particular one, but I've heard tell. Whoa.

I don't particularly want to be accused of being two-faced and insulting EI here whilst being 'nice' over there, but I have MAJOR concerns with these. I haven't pointed out specifics in the GL vote thread because I honestly don't feel there's any point to it (feel free to try and persaude me otherwise) and I really haven't had the time yet.

Well, they'll have a nice quiet board where all the right thinking people can seek shelter from reality.
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What are you talking about? We're left-thinking!
 
I don't particularly want to be accused of being two-faced and insulting EI here whilst being 'nice' over there, but I have MAJOR concerns with these. I haven't pointed out specifics in the GL vote thread because I honestly don't feel there's any point to it (feel free to try and persaude me otherwise) and I really haven't had the time yet.
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I'm banned. (not that they listened to me much anyway)
Cait's banned.
Spidey's on the outs.
Ru Reddy's name is mud, due to her involvement with this site.
Niki Blue is MIA, as are several others.

If you don't say something, then chances are it won't be said. You've got the creds there to have your words mean something.
 
Anakam said:
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I don't particularly want to be accused of being two-faced and insulting EI here whilst being 'nice' over there, but I have MAJOR concerns with these. I haven't pointed out specifics in the GL vote thread because I honestly don't feel there's any point to it (feel free to try and persaude me otherwise) and I really haven't had the time yet.
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You know this accusation has been leveled a lot over the years, and I've come to a conclusion about it.

It's pure BS.

As I was telling my good friend Shal today as we were chatting about moderator ethics, the fact that a person talks one way on EI and a different way on TK, is more because EI has a damn "Be nice to each other" policy. WE HAVE to adjust our language there. We have to be nice or we are warned and suspended and banned. that's not being a hypocrite, that's following their damn rules.

We don't have those restrictions here, and so we can say what we would say there if they allowed it. That's also not hypocrisy that's adhering to community standards. something they should be thanking us for instead of accusing us of being hypocrites.

If you all on EI want people to be honest, don't muzzle them with "be nice all the time". If you want consistent behavior, don't dictate behavior so narrowly. But please stop trying to intimidate us with the "You're a hypocrite if you speak your mind on TK, because it is BS and it is outright intimidation to shut people up on a Free Speech forum.

Now are there some people who are outrageously nice on EI and come back here to just carry on and laugh? Sure. But there are just as many people waiting ot go into a thread on EI and laugh at another person's ban. Thy hypocrisy runs bot ways in the extreme cases.

For the most part, I can't even imagine how my good friend Shal could accuse me of being nice on EI and slamming people on TK. According to popular opinion I'm mean on EI too.

See. I'm consistent. ;)

Anyway Kam, I know what you are talking about, but that's the party EI line making us squirm so we are afraid to speak out. It's not hypocrisy if we can't say it or be heard on EI. That's why TK exists. Not to laugh at others, [well ok we laugh too], but to say things that can't be said on a board because of their crazy rules.

We get called hypocrites for following their rules. Makes me laugh every time I think about it. Course my good friend Shal, hasn't responded to my realization yet. I wonder what she'll think?
 
Caitriona said:
Do you know they are actually having a vote without letting any discussion occur?
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No, I didn't, probably because I don't actually give a shit, but thanks for the information, it's enabled me to add 1 to my postcount here today.
 
That's great, and yet another chance to add that all important one to the postcount.
 
Godeskian said:
Shrug, telling you where I see myself would be rather self-serving wouldn't it?

and I'd give you my opinion on the rest of the staff, but not only would I expect you not to believe me, I'd be surprised if I wasn't openly ridiculed for my opinion because mine is based on insider knowledge.

I know exactly how long the debates go on before decisions are made, and how few times any sort of knee-jerk reaction to censorship and bannigns have been done.

But I can't make anyone believe me unfortunately.
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I know from personal information how easily and suddenly one can be banned. Without so much as a word or a warning.

There's a reason people wouldn't believe you...

All that would have been necessary was a PM or an e-mail before the banning...

Yet here we are with a new set of guidelines proposed that doesn't address this issue, or attempt to set it right.

Progress...
 
RobL said:
I'm banned. (not that they listened to me much anyway)
Cait's banned.
Spidey's on the outs.
Ru Reddy's name is mud, due to her involvement with this site.
Niki Blue is MIA, as are several others.

If you don't say something, then chances are it won't be said. You've got the creds there to have your words mean something.
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Are you daring me to go through all three pages and then post my thoughts?

Think I can do that before the end of voting?
 
Heh, posting here and agreeing with us...

It won't be long before Rhea starts trolling you and getting away with it darlin'. :P
 
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