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Jena 6

The protesters, or the six black kids who beat up the white kid?

Hopefully the protesters aren't breaking any laws... and normally I just roll my eyes when I hear about anything involving Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton because I think they are pot-stirrers and corrupt politicians to the core.. but they may have a point in this instance. The white people in this town are allowed to get away with crimes against blacks with not much more than a slap on the wrist. If I was black I'd have moved away from there long ago. From what I understand, the protest is because the kids involved were charged as adults instead of as juveniles.

I don't like this trend in our legal system of charging some teens as adults based on the crime. If a 16 year old can be tried as an adult, then they can consent to sex.. I know one thing has nothing to do with the other, but it's all based on some prosecutor's or judge's whim. If you are an adult at 16 when you murder then you should be considered an adult in all things.. or just stick by the guidelines we have in place and charge people under 18 as juveniles.
 
Well, we've got nooses in trees, people fighting, people pulling weapons, people ganging up and beating another person unconscious, some are minors and some are adults but they are all old enough to know better than to behave that way. They all need to go to jail.
 
eloisel said:
Why isn't everybody involved going to jail?
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The issue at hand, from what I understand, isn't whether or not these kids go to jail, but the severity of the charges.

A man in my area (45 minutes west of Sacramento) was piss drunk and killed four people in the car, and got out on bail the next day. Yet six boys that aren't using ANY weapons are being charged with attempted murder--those kids could have very easily gotten a hold of a gun and offed the kid, if they felt like it. From one article I saw about this at WF, the boy that was beat up had no broken bones and I didn't remember hearing anything about him being unconscious, although I'll double-check on that.

This is *not* to suggest they get off scot free. Absolutely not, because six on one at the very least is assault. But murder? Yeah, not so much.
 
The equivalent of nooses hanging in a tree is not beating a guy up. Unfortunately hanging nooses from a tree is not a crime and while a charge of attempted murder is a bit much the black guy should have acted within the law. Had the black men handled the situation in a mature and lawful manner people wouldn't have the impression of violent black men that they do.
 
From what I read, the white kid pulled a weapon and threatened at least one of the black kids at the convenience store. One of the black kids took the gun away from the white kid, he and 5 other black kids beat the white kid unconscious, then the first black kid took the gun home. The white kid that pulled the gun should be in jail too.
 
I read this morning that one of the white kids hit one of the black kids in the head with bottle, which is part of what set the fight off. Also, I read that the white kid who was beat up was well enough to go out with his friends the same night.. so I doubt he was beaten that badly. I really don't know which stories to believe at this point.

The kids who hung the nooses from the tree were initially expelled by the principal of the school, which was a fitting punishment, IMO, but the superintendent thought it was too harsh and reduced the punishment to 3 days suspension.
 
Laker_Girl said:
The equivalent of nooses hanging in a tree is not beating a guy up. Unfortunately hanging nooses from a tree is not a crime and while a charge of attempted murder is a bit much the black guy should have acted within the law. Had the black men handled the situation in a mature and lawful manner people wouldn't have the impression of violent black men that they do.
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The lynching era encompasses roughly the five decades between the end of Reconstruction and the beginning of the Great Depression. During these years we may estimate that there were 2,018 separate incidents of lynching in which at least 2,462 African-American men, women and children met their deaths in the grasp of southern mobs, comprised mostly of whites. Although lynchings and mob killings occurred before 1880, notably during early Reconstruction when blacks were enfranchised, radical racism and mob violence peaked during the 1890s in a surge of terrorism that did not dissipate until well into the twentieth century" (17).

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So for black men, perhaps a hanging noose means a little bit more in retrospect
 
You're an obsessed stalker Donovan. Of all the things said in this thread you zeroed in on my comment.

At any rate. I too managed to graduate from high school and therefore have a clear understanding of the significance of a noose hanging from a tree and how offensive it is to black people. I said it's unfortunate that doing such an awful thing is not illegal but fighting, provoked or not just perpetuates the violent black male stereotype. I hadn't read that the white guy hit one of the black men with a bottle nor had I read he pulled a gun. I read about the knife and while I strongly believe in defending yourself the knife wasn't pressed up against the black man's neck, all the guy had to do was walk away.
 
Shit.. from reading a more detailed article a lot more went on than what I thought.

I skipped over the editorializing at the beginning and end of the article.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/opinion/main3285530.shtml

Fittingly for a post-civil rights story, it began with the discrepancy between what you are allowed to do and what you can do. In August last year, Kenneth Purvis asked the principal at Jena High School if he could sit under the "white tree" -- a place in the school courtyard where white students hung out during break. The principal said Purvis could sit where he liked. So the next day he went with his cousin Bryant and stood under the tree. The morning after that three nooses dangled from the tree.

The overwhelmingly white school board judged the nooses a youthful prank and punished the culprits with brief suspensions. Black parents and students were angry, and months of racial tension followed. Police were called to the school several times because of fights between black and white students.

The principal called an assembly at which the local district attorney, Reed Walters, warned, "See this pen? I can end your lives with the stroke of a pen." The black students say he was looking at them when he said it; Walters denies it.

In an unsolved arson case, a wing of the school was burned down. A few days later, Justin Sloan, a white man, attacked black students who tried to go to a white party in town. Sloan was charged with battery and put on probation. A few days after that a white boy pulled a gun on three black students in a convenience store. One of the black students wrestled the gun from him and took it home, only to find himself charged with theft of a firearm, second-degree robbery and disturbing the peace. The white student who produced the gun was not charged.

On December 4, in school, a group of black students attacked a white student, Justin Barker, after they heard him bragging about a racial assault his friend had made. Barker, 17, had a concussion and his eye was swollen shut. He spent a few hours in the hospital and on his release went to a party, where friends described him as "his usual smiling self."

The six black students were arrested and charged with attempted second-degree murder -- a charge that requires the use of a deadly weapon. Walters argued that the sneakers used to kick Barker were indeed deadly weapons. Mychal Bell, 17, became the first of what are now known as the Jena Six to be convicted on reduced charges by an all-white jury, and he faced up to twenty-two years in jail. His black court-appointed attorney called no witnesses and offered no defense. Bell's conviction was overturned by an appeals court, which ruled that he shouldn't have been tried as an adult. At the time of this writing he sits in jail waiting to hear his fate.
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Wheezie's right. They all need to be sequestered. The whole thing is pathetic.
 
Laker_Girl said:
. I read about the knife and while I strongly believe in defending yourself the knife wasn't pressed up against the black man's neck, all the guy had to do was walk away.
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Stupid American race issues aside I never would turn my back on someone with a knife, be him/her black, white, brown or whatever.
 
Laker_Girl said:
You're an obsessed stalker Donovan. Of all the things said in this thread you zeroed in on my comment.

At any rate. I too managed to graduate from high school and therefore have a clear understanding of the significance of a noose hanging from a tree and how offensive it is to black people. I said it's unfortunate that doing such an awful thing is not illegal but fighting, provoked or not just perpetuates the violent black male stereotype. I hadn't read that the white guy hit one of the black men with a bottle nor had I read he pulled a gun. I read about the knife and while I strongly believe in defending yourself the knife wasn't pressed up against the black man's neck, all the guy had to do was walk away.
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Touchy much? I simply pointed out where you were mistaken in your assumption that "hanging nooses" was a simple harmless matter easily ignored.

BTW, re: your high school diploma- you should get your money back, they fucked up pretty bad with you...
 
SaintLucifer said:
Hang the niggers high! Kill more niggers, make the world a better place!
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Shut your stupid Canadian fucked up ass. You are not a part of this situation. Not your country or your countrymen. Not your history. What would fucking perfect Canada know about race issues anyway. Nothing. So just stay out of it.
 
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