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Joker : Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger ?
- Thread starter Marquis De Sade
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Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
Your unintelligible blab exemplifies the childish wave of Joker fans I was talking about.
To make it simpler for you :
1) Marquis de Sade claimed that the new Joker's fanbase consists mainly of kids and idiots who are swayed away by the style at the expense of the substance.
2) SuN obviously disagrees. It expresses its disagreement with a load of childish dumbshit.
3) Therefore, Marquis' assertion is proven to be true, or not wrong at least. Even if it's not, you're making HL's Joker fans look bad and idiotic, which may raises suspicions of you being my dual, something that I do not approve of.
Conclusion : Shut the fuck up, m'dear.
Dark Pickle
Fucked Off
If suN says black, you say white.
If she says day, you say night!
It doesn't matter if you're wrong, as long as she's not right
If she says day, you say night!
It doesn't matter if you're wrong, as long as she's not right
The Question
Eternal
1) Marquis de Sade thinks he can make a valid point about a subject by talking shit about those who hold the opinion opposite his own.
2) Actual argument doesn't work that way.
3) Marquis de Sade doesn't seem to realize this.
Conclusion: Marquis de Sade is a fucking moron who should save himself public humiliation by shutting the fuck up.
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
No, TQ, that's your preconceived hypothesis. All facts lead to an otherwise conclusion.
And speaking of public humiliation, you better remove your shitty video from youtube, it's embarrassing on all accounts.
On ne s'est pas proprement introduit, by the way.
The Question
Eternal
^^As previously noted, your borderline-willful stupidity renders your opinion utterly inconsequential.
(For the amusement of the rest of you, all hypotheses are preconceived; it's testing of hypotheses that lead them either to the status of theory or to being discarded altogether.)
(For the amusement of the rest of you, all hypotheses are preconceived; it's testing of hypotheses that lead them either to the status of theory or to being discarded altogether.)
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
I am perplexed : who exactly is the "rest of you" ? Your imaginary audience ? :bigass:
If you think that anyone is reading this boring exchange besides you, me, and my thirty four duals and guardians, then you're a much bigger idiot that I had already thought.
If you think that anyone is reading this boring exchange besides you, me, and my thirty four duals and guardians, then you're a much bigger idiot that I had already thought.
I thought Ledger was brilliant. It's a real shame he died and we have to view his performance posthumously and so a neutral position is hard to come to.
I thought he nailed the character in every respect and linked back well with all the other incarnations of the Joker we know so that it wasn't a completely new realization of the character but a more horrific and chilling version.
Ledgers Joker was totally disconnected from rationality but there was still rationality in his insanity. I thought it was a great performance. When I first heard that the guy from A Knights Tale was going to be the new Joker when the news first broke a couple of years ago I was pretty aghast. But Ledger did it. He was a great actor and it was a performance that is going to live on even after all the hype dies down about his untimely death.
So yeah, he made the movie for me.
And that's my problem.
All this talk about the Joker has overshadowed the fact that -for me anyway- I don't much like Bale's Batman.
I hate the costume, and I don't like the spin of the character. I just don't buy this version of Batman at all. I find him rather dull in Dark Knight.
For me the actual character of Batman feels overshadowed by everything that happens around him.
They talked about him being the dark protector and all that but that's the sense I didn't get from the movie. I don't know what it was but it didn't click for me.
I enjoyed every scene with the Joker but feel like the movie would have been mediocre at best without such an interesting character to carry it. Ultimately shouldn't Batman carry the movie?
Well for me Ledgers Joker made the movie but I couldn't help thinking that it was a very individual performance and Bale's Batman failed to keep me interested.
Am I the only one who shares this opinion?
I thought he nailed the character in every respect and linked back well with all the other incarnations of the Joker we know so that it wasn't a completely new realization of the character but a more horrific and chilling version.
Ledgers Joker was totally disconnected from rationality but there was still rationality in his insanity. I thought it was a great performance. When I first heard that the guy from A Knights Tale was going to be the new Joker when the news first broke a couple of years ago I was pretty aghast. But Ledger did it. He was a great actor and it was a performance that is going to live on even after all the hype dies down about his untimely death.
So yeah, he made the movie for me.
And that's my problem.
All this talk about the Joker has overshadowed the fact that -for me anyway- I don't much like Bale's Batman.
I hate the costume, and I don't like the spin of the character. I just don't buy this version of Batman at all. I find him rather dull in Dark Knight.
For me the actual character of Batman feels overshadowed by everything that happens around him.
They talked about him being the dark protector and all that but that's the sense I didn't get from the movie. I don't know what it was but it didn't click for me.
I enjoyed every scene with the Joker but feel like the movie would have been mediocre at best without such an interesting character to carry it. Ultimately shouldn't Batman carry the movie?
Well for me Ledgers Joker made the movie but I couldn't help thinking that it was a very individual performance and Bale's Batman failed to keep me interested.
Am I the only one who shares this opinion?
The Question
Eternal
Sadly, I have to agree -- for this film. Bale's Batman was very compelling in Batman Begins, I thought: Hey, now this is actually a plausible superhero. In Dark Knight, though, he seemed somehow to have stalled as a character.
That, I think, is the crux of the disappointment with Batman in this go-round -- there seemed to be no character development, despite the very overt attempts for there to be. There's very little we see of actual internal character progression. A woman he's pining for is killed, and... blank. He gives up his crusade as Batman at one point, and... shrug. He goes on the run as Batman, and... meh. Really, Keanu Reeves could have pulled off such a (minimal) character arc.
That, I think, is the crux of the disappointment with Batman in this go-round -- there seemed to be no character development, despite the very overt attempts for there to be. There's very little we see of actual internal character progression. A woman he's pining for is killed, and... blank. He gives up his crusade as Batman at one point, and... shrug. He goes on the run as Batman, and... meh. Really, Keanu Reeves could have pulled off such a (minimal) character arc.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
I real all of his posts. You're a moron.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
I don't think so, but I have to think about the idea that it's always been the villain that let Batman raise the bar as necessary.
I said in another post that I just want to cut all the Ledger scenes out of the film and watch them, right after the other.
I suspect it's a film within a film.
And don't dis Knights Tale, it's my wife's favorite chick flick, because of him.
Dark Pickle
Fucked Off
Ledger was genius, but I fear it overshadows Ekard's (sp?) brilliant portrayal of Dent/Two-face, which was a brilliant performance in its own right.
