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Tamar_Garish
beer, I want beer
Oh god.
Run away, Messenger. The elderly femme fatale is looking for another BBS mate to eat.
Run away, Messenger. The elderly femme fatale is looking for another BBS mate to eat.
Tamar_Garish
beer, I want beer
When I need to replace my vibratory appliance, I will keep your old, shakey, gnarled self in mind, Pthalo. Don't hold your breath, though.
Besides, don't you have enough on your plate with all the stupid retards who buy your shit over PM and e-mail?
One is totally unrelated to the other.Friday said:
Faith is a unique problem within the human psyche, with its own need to understand itself presenting even more problems.
How can we fathom a universe which we are a part of as being boundless in itself? It's as difficult to understand as it is to define self-awareness, itself undefinable, with the Ouroboros serving as an excellent illustration as to this problem.
So what does this have to do with faith?
Faith is instinctual. It's almost a need for paternal order in a chaotic universe.
But why assume that a grand intelligence be automatically linked by creation and destiny to us? Because it satisfies a need to understand. Animals aren't capable of imagining planets in space, but we are. So we need a buffer.
The entire notion, IMO, is to mask a truth which would simply drive us insane.
The belief that there is a divine intelligence, to ignore a mindless distribution of stars and galaxies, to ignore the lifeless space beyond our own tiny habitat is extraordinarily anthrocentric. A self-aware God must exist, and it must care for our own continued existence and self-awareness.
It has to be personal. Nothing else could satisfy humans, who in their spare time wonder where the first person came from. It has to be a personal belief. In Judeo-Christian religions, it's God, Jesus, or angels. In Japan, they have their ancestors watching over them. In South America, they have their little ghosts.
What about a soul? Is that needed for a living organism to survive? Hardly. Is it needed for self-awareness? What is self-awareness? Can you describe it without using circular logic?
Have you ever asked yourself if you are self-aware? If you're simply nothing more than a 'point of view,' watching the film of a human being's life from the best possible vantage point, as it acts and reacts to various stimuli?
Even your thoughts aren't your own. Anything can cause your neurons to fire, and with quantum mechanics describing a random universe of random electrons, which can cause your neurons to begin firing, leading to a chain reaction which can remind you of this or that and thus influence your actions in ways you cannot control.
I tend to shift from time to time, leaning more towards theism or atheism each time. Right now I'm thinking that oblivion = nirvana, and that it awaits us all. It heaven, there would be no hunger. More accurately, there would be no need for food.
Stripping away one need after another, we come to the need of self, which also has to be stripped away in order to for our 'self' to fully come to rest in its final destination.
It sounds strange, since all of life is meant to be ultimately satisfying towards theists somehow, right? The concept of 'self' is the only remaining equalizer in most all beliefs and faiths, save for the really demented ones, like mine.
So what would this heaven of oblivion look like? Although the 'self' would no longer exist, from one perspective it would no longer have any bounderies, and wouldn't distinguish itself from other obliterated 'souls.' They would all be 'one.' And in the event of the total destruction of the observable universe, everything would be nothing, and achieve oneness therein, with no desires or thirsts going unsatisfied or unquenched, and no desire to protect and make immortal that which can't be.
Messenger said:One is totally unrelated to the other.
Faith is a unique problem within the human psyche, with its own need to understand itself presenting even more problems.
How can we fathom a universe which we are a part of as being boundless in itself? It's as difficult to understand as it is to define self-awareness, itself undefinable, with the Ouroboros serving as an excellent illustration as to this problem.
So what does this have to do with faith?
Faith is instinctual. It's almost a need for paternal order in a chaotic universe.
But why assume that a grand intelligence be automatically linked by creation and destiny to us? Because it satisfies a need to understand. Animals aren't capable of imagining planets in space, but we are. So we need a buffer.
The entire notion, IMO, is to mask a truth which would simply drive us insane.
The belief that there is a divine intelligence, to ignore a mindless distribution of stars and galaxies, to ignore the lifeless space beyond our own tiny habitat is extraordinarily anthrocentric. A self-aware God must exist, and it must care for our own continued existence and self-awareness.
It has to be personal. Nothing else could satisfy humans, who in their spare time wonder where the first person came from. It has to be a personal belief. In Judeo-Christian religions, it's God, Jesus, or angels. In Japan, they have their ancestors watching over them. In South America, they have their little ghosts.
What about a soul? Is that needed for a living organism to survive? Hardly. Is it needed for self-awareness? What is self-awareness? Can you describe it without using circular logic?
Have you ever asked yourself if you are self-aware? If you're simply nothing more than a 'point of view,' watching the film of a human being's life from the best possible vantage point, as it acts and reacts to various stimuli?
Even your thoughts aren't your own. Anything can cause your neurons to fire, and with quantum mechanics describing a random universe of random electrons, which can cause your neurons to begin firing, leading to a chain reaction which can remind you of this or that and thus influence your actions in ways you cannot control.
I tend to shift from time to time, leaning more towards theism or atheism each time. Right now I'm thinking that oblivion = nirvana, and that it awaits us all. It heaven, there would be no hunger. More accurately, there would be no need for food.
Stripping away one need after another, we come to the need of self, which also has to be stripped away in order to for our 'self' to fully come to rest in its final destination.
It sounds strange, since all of life is meant to be ultimately satisfying towards theists somehow, right? The concept of 'self' is the only remaining equalizer in most all beliefs and faiths, save for the really demented ones, like mine.
So what would this heaven of oblivion look like? Although the 'self' would no longer exist, from one perspective it would no longer have any bounderies, and wouldn't distinguish itself from other obliterated 'souls.' They would all be 'one.' And in the event of the total destruction of the observable universe, everything would be nothing, and achieve oneness therein, with no desires or thirsts going unsatisfied or unquenched, and no desire to protect and make immortal that which can't be.
In short you really dont know. It's fine to admit these sort of things Messenger! No one knows everything! Keep seeking things to find the truth of the matter, but first... get rid of your nasty biases. You cant say you dont know and expect people to take your attacks on their beliefs seriously!
And in case you are wondering yes I am serious as a heart attack. I have already stated I am not a troll!
Enkephalen
My Stars!
So. . .no debate then?
Zodiac said:
Any chance I can get to try and enlighten lost beings such as yourself will be taken. Consider it a public service. I figure if I can manage to straighten at least one person out it has all been worth it!
I dont mind saying that dealing with retards like you motivate me to continue to post. But why is it you feign self control? You obviously like to froth out the mouth upon my posts and and begin to dance about madly showing the world your utter stupidity in your replies!
Seriously Dude... take a chill pill before you wind up eating yourself. I have seen it happen! Nasty thing that... eating yourself.
Zodiac said:
lol that was actually pretty good there messenger.
Dont mistake my intent... peep say I have a troll in me, even tho I claim to not be a troll. I choose the method of insults as a matter of course in jest and in debate. More so for the shock value, than anything else. As long as I have lived I have already come to grips that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. I do wish to help as many that will allow it before their end. That part is sincere. Regardless of the rest, its just my way of trying to show you how each and every person is in their own remarks. In so many ways some people insult by trying to be coy and chat over peeps noggins. I am just an in your face kinda guy! You get all freeky in your way and I will in mine.
How to tell someone they are wrong without insulting them? Would you care to entertain me with your wisdom on that question?
Zodiac said:
Like I said! There is not a way to tell someone they are wrong! Doing it diplomatically is just a cowards way of dealing with things.
Jesus was not the least bit diplomatic about the things He said against the Saducees and Pharisees! The only difference is that I use vulgar language where Christ never would have! I can admit my inequities! I know that I am not perfect, I dont complain to you about your language either! I am not a hypocrit!
Any intelligent being can tell you when you think they are wrong! And even saddam didnt give a shit about your diplomacy! He killed anyways! I want you to go to the closest Dictator and diplomatically tell him he is wrong right there on his door step and see how much respect you get!
There is only 1 rule in this world! He with the biggest stick gets most of the eyes! And even though people likeyou with no vision to perceive the real deal will complain about their rude behavior and completely miss the point! But they will still get the respect due them! Because if they act as the US has in the diplomatic zone for the past few decades you get ZERO respect from the world!