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Mentalist said:
No you fucking bitch. How can you call others morons when you don't even do your homework on these subjects you spout off on?

HBHG uses "sensational" sources that have been proved to be fake. NOT TO MENTION HBHG IS NOT HISTORICAL FACT BUT INFACT FICTION BASED ON FACT YOU FUCKING GIMP.

The authors of Holy Blood were told prior to the publication of their book that their various theories weren't plausible. The true facts about Pierre Plantard and the Priory of Sion were passed on to them by the French journalist and author Jean-Luc Chaumeil, who has an extensive archive on this subject matter.



Now go away.

Damn you are fucking stupid. That's what I said you fucking moron. FICTION derived from facts. Odd that I call you on your stupidity and suddenly you change your tune. Shit. You are so transparent you smell.
 
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Dan Brown copied the FICTON from HBHG for the FICTION in TDC.

You complete and utter Canadian spastic.
 
Mentalist said:
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Dan Brown copied the FICTON from HBHG for the FICTION in TDC.

You complete and utter Canadian spastic.

Can you prove it?? Both authors accessed the same information yet came up with different takes on that information. That is much like when you take History class in grade school (yes I know you are still there) the teacher recites facts to you. From these facts, the teacher asks you to write up your own paper to summarise what you have learned. What you write could very well end up being very similar to what a fellow classmate wrote (one who is actually the correct age for Grade 5, unlike yourself). As this is the case, would one student who has read another's essay claim 'he copied my notes' since they share some similarities? Now quit being so bloody ridiculously stupid and run along. You are incapable of thinking along logical lines. This is so evident it wounds my brain.
 
Can you prove it??

UMM YES.


In the book Brown also mentions Holy Blood, Holy Grail as an acclaimed international bestseller (chapter 60) and claims it as the major contributor to his hypothesis.

Oooo..

That is irrelevant to the point of Plaigiarism. If he used too much of the original content in other parts of the book then he could be sued but you say this:


Both authors accessed the same information yet came up with different takes on that information.

What same information? The Hypothesis that the original authors wrote for HBHG that is at the center of the whole thing you're trying to argue your way around yet Dan Brown himself ADMITS FREELY

And this if you still can't figure it out for yourself.

It is generally presumed the authors knew these claims to be at best unprovable, or false. In fact, Richard Leigh has stated on television that they only set out to offer a plausible hypothesis, but "never believed it to be true."


Dan Brown used their original hypothesis (SOMETHING HE ADMITS) as the pseudo-history for his book. God you're thick.

you sir have been pwned. Don't bother trying to dig yourself out of this one you really don't get it do you.
 
Mentalist said:
UMM YES.

Oooo..

That is irrelevant to the point of Plaigiarism. If he used too much of the original content in other parts of the book then he could be sued but you say this:

What same information? The Hypothesis that the original authors wrote for HBHG that is at the center of the whole thing you're trying to argue your way around yet Dan Brown himself ADMITS FREELY

And this if you still can't figure it out for yourself.

Dan Brown used their original hypothesis (SOMETHING HE ADMITS) as the pseudo-history for his book. God you're thick.

you sir have been pwned. Don't bother trying to dig yourself out of this one you really don't get it do you.



Hmmm. I have sifted through your arguments and see that you have completely missed the boat. He is getting SUED. Why?? Just take a moment to think for a moment. This is a man who writes books for a living. If he ADMITTED to using their own hypothesis, then he would have known they could sue him.
You miss the point. Using your logic, both books are the same. You admit they both use the same hypothesis. Do not MANY books do this? They HYPOTHESIS may be derived FROM THE SAME HISTORICAL FACTS. From that moment on, the stories differ. What would be the point of writing the book if someone else already wrote it? Why all that effort? Are you so fucking stupid? Einstein came up with his HYPOTHESIS which was the Theory of Relativity. Stephen Hawking wrote a book which included that HYPOTHESIS (history of the universe). Why are you not in his face about this? Exactly the same logic. Don't forget Carl Sagan. He did the same thing. Wait, why not go after the entire scientific community. Damn you are fucking stupid. It is you who has been pwned. Strangely enough you are so dumb you cannot see this fact. One cannot be sued for a shared hypothesis.
 
Hmmm. I have sifted through your arguments and see that you have completely missed the boat. He is getting SUED. Why?? Just take a moment to think for a moment. This is a man who writes books for a living. If he ADMITTED to using their own hypothesis, then he would have known they could sue him.
You miss the point. Using your logic, both books are the same. You admit they both use the same hypothesis. Do not MANY books do this? They HYPOTHESIS may be derived FROM THE SAME HISTORICAL FACTS. From that moment on, the stories differ. What would be the point of writing the book if someone else already wrote it? Why all that effort? Are you so fucking stupid? Einstein came up with his HYPOTHESIS which was the Theory of Relativity. Stephen Hawking wrote a book which included that HYPOTHESIS (history of the universe). Why are you not in his face about this? Exactly the same logic. Don't forget Carl Sagan. He did the same thing. Wait, why not go after the entire scientific community. Damn you are fucking stupid. It is you who has been pwned. Strangely enough you are so dumb you cannot see this fact. One cannot be sued for a shared hypothesis.


LOL!!


Keep on digging this hole.


You are unbelieavbly thick.

You miss the point. Using your logic, both books are the same.

When did I say that? As it happens the FACT that Dan Brown used the Jesus Christ/Mary Magdelene hypothesis and the Merovingian Dynasty bloodline which is an original idea from the authors of HBHG and much more that was an alternate FICTION derived from HBHG is not in dispute. What is in dispute is if he copied too much straight from the book and didn't change enough to make it original. You are arguing about something that nobody not even Dan Brown believes which is frankly hilarious since Dan Brown even makes mention of HBHG in the fucking DaVinci code. You are the one who can not grasp any of this because you are too fucking dumb.

The argument for being sued is being derived from whether he used too much and mirrored intellectual property of the authors fictional hypothesis too closely. To be perfectly honest Dan Brown will win this case. He is allowed to use "ideas" and even theories but it it all hinges on how closely he used their fictional ideas in their non-fiction book for his fictional tale. Getting confused yet? Still, you're the one who is going of on a tangenet that you are failing to understand. And to be frank it is rather funny.



They HYPOTHESIS may be derived FROM THE SAME HISTORICAL FACTS. From that moment on, the stories differ.

So, now you're agreeing with me that Dan Brown took the fictional pseudo-history and ideas in creating his "universe" for his tale to live in and used it in The DaVinci Code. Thanks.


What would be the point of writing the book if someone else already wrote it?

What the fuck are you on about? What pray tell has that got to do with the price of bread? Nobody is saying that he copied everything from HBHG, are you that simple?

Einstein came up with his HYPOTHESIS which was the Theory of Relativity. Stephen Hawking wrote a book which included that HYPOTHESIS (history of the universe). Why are you not in his face about this?

Because they were not writing FICTION for starters. Do you know what plaigiarism means? The case is whether Dan Brown tried to peddle too many original ideas as his own even though he admitis his research was based on HBHG among others. I bet he wins this case even because of that, but thats got nothing to do with dismantling the fact that you just don't fucking get it.


Exactly the same logic.

LOL!


Don't forget Carl Sagan. He did the same thing. Wait, why not go after the entire scientific community. Damn you are fucking stupid. It is you who has been pwned. Strangely enough you are so dumb you cannot see this fact. One cannot be sued for a shared hypothesis.

AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
 
Mentalist said:
LOL!!


Keep on digging this hole.


You are unbelieavbly thick.



When did I say that? As it happens the FACT that Dan Brown used the Jesus Christ/Mary Magdelene hypothesis and the Merovingian Dynasty bloodline which is an original idea from the authors of HBHG and much more that was an alternate FICTION derived from HBHG is not in dispute. What is in dispute is if he copied too much straight from the book and didn't change enough to make it original. You are arguing about something that nobody not even Dan Brown believes which is frankly hilarious since Dan Brown even makes mention of HBHG in the fucking DaVinci code. You are the one who can not grasp any of this because you are too fucking dumb.

The argument for being sued is being derived from whether he used too much and mirrored intellectual property of the authors fictional hypothesis too closely. To be perfectly honest Dan Brown will win this case. He is allowed to use "ideas" and even theories but it it all hinges on how closely he used their fictional ideas in their non-fiction book for his fictional tale. Getting confused yet? Still, you're the one who is going of on a tangenet that you are failing to understand. And to be frank it is rather funny.





So, now you're agreeing with me that Dan Brown took the fictional pseudo-history and ideas in creating his "universe" for his tale to live in and used it in The DaVinci Code. Thanks.




What the fuck are you on about? What pray tell has that got to do with the price of bread? Nobody is saying that he copied everything from HBHG, are you that simple?



Because they were not writing FICTION for starters. Do you know what plaigiarism means? The case is whether Dan Brown tried to peddle too many original ideas as his own even though he admitis his research was based on HBHG among others. I bet he wins this case even because of that, but thats got nothing to do with dismantling the fact that you just don't fucking get it.




LOL!




AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Are you a fucking MORON? How can one get sued for using 'perhaps too much' of another's work? You have either used it or you have not. There is no 'too much' or 'too little' you stupid fuck. What are you talking about 'pseudo-history'? History is history is history you moron. Are you telling me the History course I took in high school here in Toronto does not state the same facts about the War of 1812 that your books down there in COCKSUCKERVILLE, USA display? You mean this 'may' have happened in 1812 or that 'may' have happened? Did your President James Madison run away from Washington as our forces, fresh from kicking your asses elsewhere, marched into the city or did he not? Which is it? If someone decided to write a fictional novel about the War of 1812, where does the individual find the data? From the same data both Canadian and Americans share. Stupid fuck. From there people may form their own hypothesis which is what the authors of HGBH and THE DAVINCI CODE have done. Why is it every time someone succeeds an asshole like you who could never write a novel if your life depended upon it must attempt to sabotage that success with cries of 'plagiarism'? Just because you were tutored in Grade 2 mathematics by Kindergarten students is not reason enough to become angry. I see this everywhere I go. Bill Gates is an asshole. He is a dweeb. He is a nerd. Everyone makes these claims because they are jealous of him just as you are jealous of another's intellect. Your intellect is not even a mere spark. This angers you so when you see individuals like Dan Brown succeed you kick chairs and smash your table in anger whilst yelling 'why was I born without a fucking brain?'.
 
SaintLucifer said:
Just because you were tutored in Grade 2 mathematics by Kindergarten students
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SaintLucifer said:
What are you talking about 'pseudo-history'? History is history is history you moron. Are you telling me the History course I took in high school here in Toronto does not state the same facts about the War of 1812 that your books down there in COCKSUCKERVILLE, USA display? You mean this 'may' have happened in 1812 or that 'may' have happened? Did your President James Madison run away from Washington as our forces, fresh from kicking your asses elsewhere, marched into the city or did he not? Which is it? If someone decided to write a fictional novel about the War of 1812, where does the individual find the data? From the same data both Canadian and Americans share.


Ever hear the quote

Edward Said said:
"History is written by those who win and those who dominate."

History is not linear, you jackass. Each person/ leader/ etc. has their own version of what happened. This is where Psuedo and Alternate histories are created. One example; In many southern states the Civil War is still known as "The War of Northern Aggression" and paints the Confederacy as patriots and freedom fighters.

The fact that you dont understand a basic concept such as that, and add in the fact that you are still relying on knowledge you learned in high school shows that you lack the proper intelligence to debate or even discuss history.
 
Dark Link said:
Ever hear the quote



History is not linear, you jackass. Each person/ leader/ etc. has their own version of what happened. This is where Psuedo and Alternate histories are created. One example; In many southern states the Civil War is still known as "The War of Northern Aggression" and paints the Confederacy as patriots and freedom fighters.

The fact that you dont understand a basic concept such as that, and add in the fact that you are still relying on knowledge you learned in high school shows that you lack the proper intelligence to debate or even discuss history.

What is your point? The title 'The War of Northern Aggression' is in fact quite correct.
You mean each leader has their own 'take' of the exact same history. You do understand that concept do you not? Many people may have their own viewpoints regarding a historical fact which has a common theme. Duh?
Did Samuel de Champlain not become the first individual to establish colonies here in Canada? Yes. Absolutely nowhere is this fact disputed simply because it is indeed FACT. Your concept involves how the French view that fact and how the British view it but they both agree on one basic tenet, Samuel de Champlain did in fact become the first to settle in Canada. Stop being stupid. It is insulting.
 
My god, you really are a retard.... The depth of your stupidity astounds me to no end.

You completely dodged the point I was making and substituted your own bullshit theory in instead.
 
Dark Link said:
Ever hear the quote



History is not linear, you jackass. Each person/ leader/ etc. has their own version of what happened. This is where Psuedo and Alternate histories are created. One example; In many southern states the Civil War is still known as "The War of Northern Aggression" and paints the Confederacy as patriots and freedom fighters.

The fact that you dont understand a basic concept such as that, and add in the fact that you are still relying on knowledge you learned in high school shows that you lack the proper intelligence to debate or even discuss history.


Seems I have proven correct and you, along with MENTALCASE, are wrong. DAN BROWN won his case and handily. There was NO plagiarism, just as I had been stating since Day One. Fucking MORONS. Feeling rather stupid now are we not? Duh? You were saying about the 'DaVinci Code' being a 'copy' of HGBG. Stupid fuck. The courts have proven otherwise. Now see fit to take your PWned self out of my sight.
 
Dark Link said:
My god, you really are a retard.... The depth of your stupidity astounds me to no end.

You completely dodged the point I was making and substituted your own bullshit theory in instead.
Yep.
 
Hey retard, show me a post where I said it was plagiarism.

Da Vinci Code author wins battle against plagiarism claim
By Philippe Naughton at the High Court in London


The authors of a 1982 book that raised the theory that Jesus Christ sired a dynasty of kings with Mary Magdalene are facing a £2 million legal bill after a court rejected their copyright claim against Dan Brown, author of The Da Vinci Code.

After one of the most closely followed trials in High Court history, Mr Justice Peter Smith ruled that American author Brown did not infringe the copyright of Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh when he wrote his worldwide bestseller.

Baigent and Leigh argued that DVC, as it has been referred to in the case, lifted the "architecture" of their earlier book, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (HBHG), which was itself a bestseller but never achieved anything like the success of Brown's book which has sold more than 40 million copies since its publication in 2003.

But in a 71-page ruling issued today, Justice Smith said that Brown did not copy the central theme for his novel from the earlier book. "The plaintiffs’ case has failed," he said. "Dan Brown has not infringed copyright. None of this amounts to copying The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail."

He added: "Even if the central themes were copied they are too general or of too low a level of abstraction to be capable of protection by copyright law. Accordingly there is no copyright infringement either by textual copying or non-textual copying of a substantial part of HBHG by means of copying the central themes."

The judge ordered that Baigent and Leigh should pay 85 per cent of publisher Random House's costs, estimated at nearly £1.3 million, as well as their own costs of £800,000. He said there should be an interim payment of £350,000 by May 5 and refused the authors permission to appeal his decision.

Brown said in a statement: "Today’s verdict shows that this claim was utterly without merit." Random House said that the ruling "ensures that novelists remain free to draw in ideas and historical research".

Gail Rebuck, chairman and chief executive of Random House, said: "Justice - and common sense - have prevailed. It is highly unusual and very sad that these authors chose to sue their publishers, especially after 20 successful years. This case has been extremely distressing for all concerned. The ruling is very important for the future of creative writing in the UK."

Leigh spoke briefly to a scrum of reporters outside the court. He said that he believed the claim had pitted "the spirit of the law against the letter of the law" and that he and Baigent had been vindicsted on the former. When asked to explain this comment, he replied: "I leave it to you to interpret."

Brown, meticulous in his 69-page witness statement but occasionally tetchy under cross-examination in court, admits that the book was one of dozens of sources he used, but says that he wrote his synopsis for DVC before ever reading HBHG, which he has still not got round to finishing.

Had Mr Justice Smith found for the HBHG authors in their claim against Random House, which published both books, the ruling could have delayed the scheduled May 19 release of the DVC film, starring Tom Hanks.

More importantly it would have stunned the world of copyright law by challenging the concept that copyright protects the expression of an idea rather than the idea itself.

The case attracted hundreds of Dan Brown fans to the neo-Gothic splendour of the High Court last month. Mr Justice Smith retained an air of bluff good humour during sometimes esoteric hearings that touched on the Roman Emperor Constantine’s deathbed conversion to Christianity, the founding of the medieval Knights Templar and the Merovingian dynasty allegedly descended from Christ.

The judge referred to one curious element of the case: that both works were published by the same publishing house. He said: "It is a testament to cynicism in our times that there have been suggestions that this action is nothing more than a collaborative exercise designed to maximise publicity for both books. It is true that the book sales of both books have soared during the course of the trial (in the case of HBHG it is said to be a tenfold increase).


"I am not in a position to comment on whether this cynical view is correct but I would say that if it was such a collaborative exercise, Mr Baigent and Mr Brown both went through an extensive ordeal in cross examination which they are likely to remember for some time."

Brown, who is notoriously publicity-shy, also travelled from his home in New Hampshire to give evidence on behalf of Random House, spending three days on the stand.

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While acknowledging that he and his researcher wife, Blythe, read HBHG, he said that they had also used 38 other books and hundreds of documents and HBHG was not a crucial source. He said that his decision to call a key character Sir Leigh Teabing - a partial anagram of the plaintiffs' names - was his nod to their earlier work.

Baigent and Leigh claimed that Brown’s novel contains the same central themes as their book, although under cross-examination Baigent conceded that it had been an exaggeration to say that Brown used "all the same historical conjecture".

The judge said he did not see Brown's use of the anagram as being "anything other than a compliment" to the two authors.

The judge went on: "As is usual with books that attract a lot of publicity, they have attracted the wrath of the literary experts of the world. Fortunately it is not part of my judgment to assess the literary worth of the books or even the truth behind them. I suppose in the world of publication 40 million buyers cannot be wrong."

John Baldwin, QC, for Random House, said that while many of the incidents in The Da Vinci Code had been described before, "no one has put them together, and developed and expressed them, in the way Mr Brown did. That is why he has a bestseller."

Jim Kennedy, spokesman for Sony Pictures Entertainment, said: "While we were not a party to this lawsuit, we are pleased by this result and as we’ve been saying all along we are proceeding with our plans for the release of the film on May 19."

The costs from the case far exceed the amount earned from a sudden surge of sales in their 24-year-old book and even from Baigent's latest bestseller: The Jesus Papers: Exposing the Greatest Cover-Up in History.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2123521_2,00.html
 
TheBitch said:
Seems I have proven correct and you, along with MENTALCASE, are wrong. DAN BROWN won his case and handily. There was NO plagiarism, just as I had been stating since Day One. Fucking MORONS. Feeling rather stupid now are we not?

Not really, since how was I proven wrong?

*AHEM*

mentalist said:
To be perfectly honest Dan Brown will win this case.


Oh, shhhnap! I always knew Dan Brown would win the case you moron that has nothing to do with the discussion. God-damn you can't even SEE what it is you were arguing about. Now hows that for stupidity?

You were arguing against something that Dan Brown, Myself, and the rest of the world know and accept. HOWS THAT!

Who's dumb now.


You were saying about the 'DaVinci Code' being a 'copy' of HGBG. Stupid fuck.

When did I say that? Talk about over simplification. I NEVER said that the DaVinci Code was a copy of HBHG. I said that it used the same fictional ideas that were first published in HBHG. And guess what? That's not even open to discussion since you are the ONLY one in the world who seems to be unable to grasp that really very simple concept.

Do you see how pathetic you are? Of course you do, but you can't admit it so instead you will just throw another post full of simplified points and insults and of course a few self-appreciative comments at yourself for good measure.
 
Actually, lets take another look at my post before the verdict was called in.


Mentalist said:
LOL!!


Keep on digging this hole.


You are unbelieavbly thick.



When did I say that? As it happens the FACT that Dan Brown used the Jesus Christ/Mary Magdelene hypothesis and the Merovingian Dynasty bloodline which is an original idea from the authors of HBHG and much more that was an alternate FICTION derived from HBHG is not in dispute. What is in dispute is if he copied too much straight from the book and didn't change enough to make it original. You are arguing about something that nobody not even Dan Brown believes which is frankly hilarious since Dan Brown even makes mention of HBHG in the fucking DaVinci code. You are the one who can not grasp any of this because you are too fucking dumb.

The argument for being sued is being derived from whether he used too much and mirrored intellectual property of the authors fictional hypothesis too closely. To be perfectly honest Dan Brown will win this case. He is allowed to use "ideas" and even theories but it it all hinges on how closely he used their fictional ideas in their non-fiction book for his fictional tale. Getting confused yet? Still, you're the one who is going of on a tangenet that you are failing to understand. And to be frank it is rather funny.





So, now you're agreeing with me that Dan Brown took the fictional pseudo-history and ideas in creating his "universe" for his tale to live in and used it in The DaVinci Code. Thanks.




What the fuck are you on about? What pray tell has that got to do with the price of bread? Nobody is saying that he copied everything from HBHG, are you that simple?



Because they were not writing FICTION for starters. Do you know what plaigiarism means? The case is whether Dan Brown tried to peddle too many original ideas as his own even though he admitis his research was based on HBHG among others. I bet he wins this case even because of that, but thats got nothing to do with dismantling the fact that you just don't fucking get it.





And guess what, it stands up just as well as it did before the verdict was called, which I predicted twice correctly in this post alone.

Now fuck off.
 
Mentalist said:
Actually, lets take another look at my post before the verdict was called in.


And guess what, it stands up just as well as it did before the verdict was called, which I predicted twice correctly in this post alone.

Now fuck off.
http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/showpost.php?p=681533&postcount=22

That my dear child is 'plagiarism'. You stated he COPIED the fiction. The courts say otherwise. MORON. Now run along. You have been sufficiently PWned.
 
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