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Rapper Proof killed at Eight Mile club

Mentalist said:
Lucy, isn't it great that no matter what you say nobody gives a flying fuck about your opinion from either side of the debate?

Wonderful, no?
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Odd that they respond as you have just now. ??????????????????????
 
[rant]well PBM, I'm pretty surprised. i mean say your piece/;peace any way you want, but no one "deserves" to get shot, for any reason. The taking of life itself transcends "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" for better or worse, so, shut up, please. There is no argument that justifies the killing of another human being for any reason, no matter how many times it may happen, even if the person getting killed has killed someone else.

Wake the fuck up please. I like and respect you, but this bullshit "the lyrics made me do it" responsibility/morality crap doesn't work. I love Marilyn Manson for example, he's an exceptional musician, his band is killer, do you think for a minute his "message" means anything to me?

Wake up.[/rant]
 
Taking a break between bites...

Would it have been more acceptable to everyone if the killer said, "Oh, just kidding" after he shot Poofy? I mean, that seems to excuse the blatant violence and disrespect in Eminem's lyrics, doesn't it?
 
I'm sad because I want to write "That sucks." But I know that I can just go into the karma section and click on a button that will state the same thing, but it would be interpreted as me "negging" Mentalist, when all I want to do is express "that sucks."

On to the argument. I disapprove of the constant glorification of violence in the media. But is a depiction of violence (visual, verbal, whatever) necessarily glorifying the subject? No. However, what is the difference between depicting violence and glorifying violence? Who gets to decide what an artist's intent was? Can we necessarily trust that the artist or his/her representation is telling the truth or accurately distinguishing between the two? It is simply(sadly) one of those toe-may-toe / toe-mah-toe issues.
 
You choose to eat fatty foods and lead a sedentary life, you put your health at risk. No one should be surprised if you die of a heart attack.

You choose to drive Nascar, you put your safety at risk.. No one should be surprised if you die in a crash.

You choose to hang out with people who glorify violence, and carry firearms, especially when people in your situation have been murdered in the past, you put your life at risk. No one should be surprised if you are murdered.
 
I think the problem that some posters might be having with you is that you've changed your argument. Now you are writing that people shouldn't be particularly surprised. After the initial shock, they probably aren't. Earlier you were writing that people shouldn't be sympathetic. I guess some people here just take death and acts of violence more seriously and emotionaly than you. Which would also explain why they can relate to certain messages in music more closely than you.
 
Friday said:
You choose to eat fatty foods and lead a sedentary life, you put your health at risk. No one should be surprised if you die of a heart attack.

You choose to drive Nascar, you put your safety at risk.. No one should be surprised if you die in a crash.

You choose to hang out with people who glorify violence, and carry firearms, especially when people in your situation have been murdered in the past, you put your life at risk. No one should be surprised if you are murdered.
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Most are PLEASED when such individuals are killed. Who said anything about 'murdered'? This is the black way of life. Killing others wantonly without reason. It is only 'murder' when it is calculated. These blacks kill each other because they believe it to be 'cool'. Yet everyone here in my city of Toronto wonders why blacks drop out of high school? The niggers claim it is racism in our board of education. Incorrect. It is the stupidity of the race. They are extremely dumb. They all fail so rather than be embarassed, they attempt to look cool by dropping out and saying 'fuck school, I am too cool for it. I'm a be a gangsta bro'. What they should be saying is 'I am black therefore I am a member of the dumbest race to ever walk the face of this planet'. Since it is black killing black, no one gives a flying fuck.
 
Gonad said:
I think the problem that some posters might be having with you is that you've changed your argument. Now you are writing that people shouldn't be particularly surprised. After the initial shock, they probably aren't. Earlier you were writing that people shouldn't be sympathetic. I guess some people here just take death and acts of violence more seriously and emotionaly than you. Which would also explain why they can relate to certain messages in music more closely than you.
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LOL Anyone who has even a passing knowledge of me knows my relationship with my music.

Anyway...

No, if you choose to live the life, you choose the consequences.

If my students choose not to do their homework, they choose to receive a zero for that grade. I do not have any sympathy for that.

Some knucklehead chooses to affiliate themselves with the gangsta lifestyle, they choose the consequences of that lifestyle.

No sympathy. No surprise.

And sadness that no lessons are being learned.
 
Mandi, when you get a little older, child, you will learn to debate without getting personal.

Meanwhile, take a look, once again, at your sig. Just for a dose of reality.
 
I was reading this thread to my boyfriend and he stopped me at post #31, saying he didn't want to hear anymore.

He thinks you're ALL wrong. He says "Gangsta rap is the glorification of the gang lifestyle, NOT the thug lifestyle!"

But I don't know the difference myself, and I'm not going to ask him because he's too angry.
 
Gonad said:
I was reading this thread to my boyfriend and he stopped me at post #31, saying he didn't want to hear anymore.

He thinks you're ALL wrong. He says "Gangsta rap is the glorification of the gang lifestyle, NOT the thug lifestyle!"

But I don't know the difference myself, and I'm not going to ask him because he's too angry.
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Your boyfriend is a complete MORON. Gangster. Thug. There is no fucking difference. I bet your boyfriend is black. Am I wrong?
 
So.... Proof was "proof" of what, exactly?

Seems to be the same old example, that same tired and true tale, to me.
 
CAN THIS THREAD BE CLASSIFIED AS A CIRCLE JERK TWICE REMOVED?

Read it two times, and got nothing out of it. DAMN!
 
Friday said:
Mandi, when you get a little older, child, you will learn to debate without getting personal.

Meanwhile, take a look, once again, at your sig. Just for a dose of reality.
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But that's what I love about debating, it's a reason to get personal.


And my sig is from a movie.......but i'm sure if your little gay boy Clay wasn't in it you wouldn't have a clue.
 
Mandi said:
But that's what I love about debating, it's a reason to get personal.
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Then we have different agendas where debating is concerned. I tend to go for an intelligent exchange of ideas. Huh...


And my sig is from a movie.......but i'm sure if your little gay boy Clay wasn't in it you wouldn't have a clue.
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I screen plenty of films. I tend to stay away from the ones you prefer, it seems; those that pander to the lowest common denominator of filmgoer. ;)
 
"Proof wasn't into the gangsta life style"

"He made an anti gang video."

"You're heartless for thinking he had anything at all to do with his ultimate fate."

My sentiment is, again, summed up in my first four initial words of this thread:

You play, you pay.

End. Of. Discussion.
 
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