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Serenity

I just finally got out of bed a little while ago, but I woke up thinking about this movie. Well, thinking bout sex w/ blondes, too, no relation. My roomates and friends are coming back from a camping trip today and they might go see the flick. I'm gonna have to go with for a second viewing. There's just too much good shit and Does anyone else feel like they gave River a Riddick/Conan kicking ass quality?

I swear Robert E. Howard wrote some of that fucking script! And I loves me some R.E.H., but not in a gay way, or a necrotic way either.
 
BitchSlapSmitty said:
I just finally got out of bed a little while ago, but I woke up thinking about this movie. Well, thinking bout sex w/ blondes, too, no relation. My roomates and friends are coming back from a camping trip today and they might go see the flick. I'm gonna have to go with for a second viewing. There's just too much good shit and Does anyone else feel like they gave River a Riddick/Conan kicking ass quality?

I swear Robert E. Howard wrote some of that fucking script! And I loves me some R.E.H., but not in a gay way, or a necrotic way either.

Nope. No one's gonna be able to go today.

fuck it, i'll travel solo for a second viewing.
 
BitchSlapSmitty said:
I just finally got out of bed a little while ago, but I woke up thinking about this movie. Well, thinking bout sex w/ blondes, too, no relation. My roomates and friends are coming back from a camping trip today and they might go see the flick. I'm gonna have to go with for a second viewing. There's just too much good shit and Does anyone else feel like they gave River a Riddick/Conan kicking ass quality?

I swear Robert E. Howard wrote some of that fucking script! And I loves me some R.E.H., but not in a gay way, or a necrotic way either.

Whedon does have a little bit of the R.E.H. flair for pure adventurousness in his work, and that may have shown through in his direction of Summer Glau's fight scenes.

On another note, you just earned your very first bit of respect from me, you sumbitch -- I would never have guessed from your first two months here that you'd read any of the classical masters of pulp fiction. Ever read Lovecraft? He and Howard played in each others' universes a bit, you know.
 
Nah, I haven't gotten around to Lovecraft yet, unless you count movie adaptations. My father turned me onto R.E.H I have a shit load of Conan i haven't even read yet. He also turned me onto C.S. Lewis. Odd, that a man, i never met till I was 11 was into comics, and authors that I'd one day dig too. Weird.


Who wrote Logan's Run? Or was that just a movie?
 
BitchSlapSmitty said:
Nah, I haven't gotten around to Lovecraft yet, unless you count movie adaptations. My father turned me onto R.E.H I have a shit load of Conan i haven't even read yet.

It's all very, very good stuff. But Howard did more than just Conan, of course -- he was also the one who created the character of Kull (actually an early version of Conan) and unless I am much mistaken, he may have done a very small amount of stuff in the "hardboiled detective" genre, as well.

Now, the elements of the Kull and Conan stories that deal with magic, gods and other supernatural miscellenaea draw more or less from Lovecraft's mythos. Lovecraft is probably best known for creating Cthulhu and the Necronomicon (which is not -- and never was -- anything but a fictional device created by Lovecraft, despite rabid fanwank dribblings and an incredibly cheeze-tastic trade paperback, circa 1973, to the contrary.) I've several good recommendations for starter material, but I'll warn you now that Lovecraft's typical writing voice takes a bit of getting used to at first -- I can't think of a better word to describe his prose than to say that it's rich, in the same way that some foods are rich. Maybe another good word for it is thick. It doesn't help that the language he used was a touch anachronistic in places, even for the early 20th century. Regardless of your reading level, you may find yourself hitting a dictionary from time to time -- but it's worth it, and good for you besides.

Now, the recommendations:

Quick reads:

1. The Other Gods

2. The Cats Of Ulthar

3. Pickman's Model (Particularly good.)

4. Nyarlathotep (Probably the best of the short stuff.)

More in-depth stuff:

1. At The Mountains Of Madness (One of his best long works.)

2. The Festival (Also excellent, and IIRC where he introduces the "Necronomicon" for the first time.)

3. The Dunwich Horror

He's also done a few poems, but I don't have too much longer to spend on this post, so have a google for one called "Nathicana." It's every bit as good as Poe's "The Raven", IMO.

Now, none of these is exactly groundbreaking by today's standards -- but, of course, that's because these works influenced those who helped to create today's standards. There's a lineage in modern fiction, just as with any other art form, and in the horror/supernatural genres (the American branch, anyway), that lineage most directly goes from Poe, to Lovecraft, then to King. I'll tell you something with absolute confidence and sincerity -- I intend to be the next one in that line, and I fully believe I've the literary chops to do it.

Who wrote Logan's Run? Or was that just a movie?

Originally a movie, as far as I know -- but I could be wrong, and I'm certain there's been a novel involved; I'm thinking a novelization of the film, though -- again -- could be the other way 'round.
 
I'll save you a little bit of time and spare you the Googling -- here's Nathicana:

Nathicana
by H.P. Lovecraft
and Alfred Galpin

It was in the pale garden of Zais;
The mist-shrouded gardens of Zais,
Where blossoms the white naphalot,
The redolent herald of midnight.
There slumber the still lakes of crystal,
And streamlets that flow without murm'ring;
Smooth streamlets from caverns of Kathos
Where broodth the calm spirits of twilight.
And over the lakes and the streamlets
Are bridges of pure alabaster,
White bridges all cunningly carven
With figures of fairies and daemons.
Here glimmer strange suns and strange planets,
And strange is the crescent Banapis
That sets 'yond the ivy-grown ramparts
Where thicken the dusk of the evening.
Here fall the white vapours of Yabon;
And here in the swirl of vapours
I saw the divine Nathicana;
The garlanded, white Nathicana;
The sloe-eyed, red-lipped Nathicana;
The silver-voiced, sweet Nathicana;
The pale-rob'd, belov'd Nathicana.
And ever was she my beloved,
From ages when time was unfashioned
Nor anything fashion'd but Yabon.
And here dwelt we ever and ever,
The innocent children of Zais,
At peace in the paths and the arbours,
White-crowned with the blest nephalote.
How oft would we float in the twilight
O'er flow'r-cover'd pastures and hillsides
All white with the lowly astalthon;
The lowly yet lovely astalthon,
And dream in a world made of dreaming
The dreams that are fairer than Aidenn;
Bright dreams that are truer than reason!
So dreamed and so lov'd we thro' ages,
Till came the cursed season of Dzannin;
The daemon-damn'd season of Dzannin;
When red shone the suns and the planets,
And red leamed the crescent Banapis,
And red fell the vapours of Yabon.
Then redden'd the blossoms and streamlets
And lakes that lay under the bridges,
And even the calm alabaster
glowed pink with uncanny reflections
Till all the carv'd fairies and daemons
Leer'd redly from the backgrounds of shadow.
Now redden'd my vision, and madly
I strove to peer thro' the dense curtain
And glimpsed the divine Nathicana;
The pure, ever-pale Nathicana;
The lov'd, the unchang'd Nathicana.
But vortex on vortex of madness
Beclouded my labouring vision;
My damnable, reddening vision
That built a new world for my seeing;
Anew world of redness and darkness,
A horrible coma call'd living
So now in this come call'd living
I view the bright phantons of beauty;
The false hollow phantoms of beauty
That cloak all the evils of Dzannin.
I view them with infinite longing,
So like do they seem to my lov'd one:
Yet foul for their eyes shines their evil;
Their cruel and pitilessevil,
More evil than Thaphron and Latgoz,
Twice ill fro its gorgeous concealment.
And only in slumbers of midnight
Appears the lost maid Nathicana,
The pallid, the pure Nathicana
Who fades at the glance of the dreamer.
Again and again do I seek her;
I woo with deep draughts of Plathotis,
Deep draughts brew'd in wine of Astarte
And strengthen'd with tears of long weeping.
I yearn for the gardens of Zais;
The lovely, lost garden of Zais
Where blossoms the white nephalot,
The redolent herald of midnight.
The last potent draught am I brewing;
A draught that the daemons delight ih;
A drught that will banish the redness;
The horrible coma call'd living.
Soon, soon, if I fail not in brewing,
The redness and madness will vanish,
And deep in the worm-people'd darkness
Will rot the base chains that hav bound me.
Once more shall the gardens of Zais
Dawn white on my long-tortur'd vision,
Andthere midst the vapours of Yabon
Will stand the divine Nathicana;
The deathless, restor'd Nathicana
whose like is not met with in living.
 
The Question said:
It's all very, very good stuff. But Howard did more than just Conan, of course -- he was also the one who created the character of Kull (actually an early version of Conan) and unless I am much mistaken, he may have done a very small amount of stuff in the "hardboiled detective" genre, as well.

Now, the elements of the Kull and Conan stories that deal with magic, gods and other supernatural miscellenaea draw more or less from Lovecraft's mythos. Lovecraft is probably best known for creating Cthulhu and the Necronomicon (which is not -- and never was -- anything but a fictional device created by Lovecraft, despite rabid fanwank dribblings and an incredibly cheeze-tastic trade paperback, circa 1973, to the contrary.) I've several good recommendations for starter material, but I'll warn you now that Lovecraft's typical writing voice takes a bit of getting used to at first -- I can't think of a better word to describe his prose than to say that it's rich, in the same way that some foods are rich. Maybe another good word for it is thick. It doesn't help that the language he used was a touch anachronistic in places, even for the early 20th century. Regardless of your reading level, you may find yourself hitting a dictionary from time to time -- but it's worth it, and good for you besides.

Now, the recommendations:

Quick reads:

1. The Other Gods

2. The Cats Of Ulthar

3. Pickman's Model (Particularly good.)

4. Nyarlathotep (Probably the best of the short stuff.)

More in-depth stuff:

1. At The Mountains Of Madness (One of his best long works.)

2. The Festival (Also excellent, and IIRC where he introduces the "Necronomicon" for the first time.)

3. The Dunwich Horror

He's also done a few poems, but I don't have too much longer to spend on this post, so have a google for one called "Nathicana." It's every bit as good as Poe's "The Raven", IMO.

Now, none of these is exactly groundbreaking by today's standards -- but, of course, that's because these works influenced those who helped to create today's standards. There's a lineage in modern fiction, just as with any other art form, and in the horror/supernatural genres (the American branch, anyway), that lineage most directly goes from Poe, to Lovecraft, then to King. I'll tell you something with absolute confidence and sincerity -- I intend to be the next one in that line, and I fully believe I've the literary chops to do it.



.

I feel the same way. Alot of people make the mistake of understimating me esp. when it comes to writing based off of my drunk and misc. posts. I had some of my work up at commie and elsewhere, but I havent' been able to track it down, and i don't have it on my computer since the re-install.
 
BitchSlapSmitty said:
I feel the same way.

You write supernatural/horror stuff, too? I wouldn't mind having a look at some of your work, when you find it. Horror takes more skill to do really well, IMO, than almost any other genre, although it's also just as easy to do badly (meaning formulaic, paint-by-numbers crap) as anything else, if not more so. It's easy to be inventive in other high-concept genres like SF or fantasy -- those aren't as strictly required to mesh with the world as we know it for their effectiveness. People open a fantasy or SF story or novel, more than any other kind, to get away from the mundane, but Horror's effectiveness comes from twisting the mundane into something else. I'm interested in seeing how you, personally, go about that.

Alot of people make the mistake of understimating me esp. when it comes to writing based off of my drunk and misc. posts.

Well, let's be fair -- until very recently, you haven't shown us much else to judge you by.

I had some of my work up at commie and elsewhere, but I havent' been able to track it down, and i don't have it on my computer since the re-install.

Well, again, when you find it, I for one would be pleased to see it in the ezine.
 
I found it!

But these two aren't supernatural stuff. One's an assignment for Creative Writing I did a few years ago. I "encouraged" to expand out side of the sci-fi/horror genre.

The other's a comic script I still have to draw.

Um, I'll start another thread in this forum so not to de-rail the movie more so.
 
The Question said:
You write supernatural/horror stuff, too? I wouldn't mind having a look at some of your work, when you find it. Horror takes more skill to do really well, IMO, than almost any other genre, although it's also just as easy to do badly (meaning formulaic, paint-by-numbers crap) as anything else, if not more so. It's easy to be inventive in other high-concept genres like SF or fantasy -- those aren't as strictly required to mesh with the world as we know it for their effectiveness. People open a fantasy or SF story or novel, more than any other kind, to get away from the mundane, but Horror's effectiveness comes from twisting the mundane into something else. I'm interested in seeing how you, personally, go about that.



Well, let's be fair -- until very recently, you haven't shown us much else to judge you by.



Well, again, when you find it, I for one would be pleased to see it in the ezine.



Yea, you're right about the horror really being effective when it comes to writing. Short of trying to cop what a person see's in movies, it's an effort taking the reader by the hand and promising them you wont chop it off, instead you maul it.
 
BitchSlapSmitty said:
... it's an effort taking the reader by the hand and promising them you wont chop it off, instead you maul it.

Or, instead, having that hand slowly but surely turn into something that mauls the reader for you. :lol: One of the most universal, and most universally effective, fears you can use against the reader is his fear of himself.
 
The Question said:
Or, instead, having that hand slowly but surely turn into something that mauls the reader for you. :lol: One of the most universal, and most universally effective, fears you can use against the reader is his fear of himself.

True.
 
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