So much for progress...

[Captain Jack]

So, if net nannies can detect color tags in swears, what keeps them from detecting asterisks in swears?

I don't have a f*cking clue. D*mn good question.

 

[FBI parte due]

Perhaps it might be... a convenient lie?!?

No, the staff would never do anything like that.

 

[Captain Jack]

Troll Kingdom must drive the net nannies f*cking crazy. :y_grin: Good.

 

[Captain Jack]

Perhaps it might be... a convenient lie?!?

No, the staff would never do anything like that.

Oh, heavens no! They would never. :roll: :bigass:

 

[Godeskian]

Hmm, so you're saying I should go to Ei and start a thread on this Gode?

I will you know...

You'll likely grow to regret the invitation too.

Yes, woe and lamentations and so forth, but I genuinely believe that sitting here at TK and complaining about Exisle is a huge waste of time compared to actually going there and trying to fix things.

 

[DarthSikle]

Yes, woe and lamentations and so forth, but I genuinely believe that sitting here at TK and complaining about Exisle is a huge waste of time compared to actually going there and trying to fix things.

I tried but they gave me the boot.

 

[Tyrant]

ExIsle is so important.

 

[Captain Jack]

Yes, woe and lamentations and so forth, but I genuinely believe that sitting here at TK and complaining about Exisle is a huge waste of time compared to actually going there and trying to fix things.

Well, okay. How do you propose "I" go there and fix things then? I've already PM'ed LoP even before you suggested it, and got nothing worth mentioning in terms of any action. If I post a thread, I'd be flamed for "witch hunting", or calling for sanctions, or just being a troublemaker. And if I PM anyone, I'll just get some excuse for not doing anything.

 

[Godeskian]

Well, okay. How do you propose "I" go there and fix things then? I've already PM'ed LoP even before you suggested it, and got nothing worth mentioning in terms of any action.

So PM him again, PM the mods of the relevant forum untill you get answers from them, debate the answers if not satisfactory. I'm Dutch okay, if there's one thing we're good at culturally speaking, it's talking. A dutch saying is that it's better to debate something without reaching a conclusion than to conclude something without debating it.

Sending one PM and then dropping the issue is not the way to achieve results. (of course, that's just me)

If I post a thread, I'd be flamed for "witch hunting", or calling for sanctions, or just being a troublemaker. And if I PM anyone, I'll just get some excuse for not doing anything.

I think primarily people would be wondering why you haven't brought this up int he last month, and before you say that you've been talking about it here remember that only a tiny fraction of exislers actually reads TK.

Besides, I still think that your best bet is to actually engage in a dialogue with the moderators of the forum first. Ultimately they are the ones who would be giving out any warnings in that forum.

and as to not getting any result, well then PM them again and ask them why they haven't responded, or PM an admin and ask them to follow up on why the moderator didn't respond, and if that nets you nothing, PM LoP as the boardowner and ask him why neither his moderators nor his admins are responding.

It was looked into, by me if noone else (and I have the PM's to prove it) and the explanation I gave you was the one found. Now if that explanation isn't good enough for you, then frankly you need to adopt better tactics than going to a completely unrelated messageboard and venting.

 

[Captain Jack]

So PM him again, PM the mods of the relevant forum untill you get answers from them, debate the answers if not satisfactory. I'm Dutch okay, if there's one thing we're good at culturally speaking, it's talking. A dutch saying is that it's better to debate something without reaching a conclusion than to conclude something without debating it.

But, Gode, since when have the admins/mods ever changed their minds, or lreally listened to members differing opinions? Every time, I have been met with a great big wall.

Sending one PM and then dropping the issue is not the way to achieve results. (of course, that's just me)

And that is EXACTLY what happened. I sent the PM, but the issued was dropped. Not by me though. And that is one of EI's problem.

I think primarily people would be wondering why you haven't brought this up int he last month, and before you say that you've been talking about it here remember that only a tiny fraction of exislers actually reads TK.

How many times have I said that I DID bring it up with LoP himself via PM on Ex Isle???

Besides, I still think that your best bet is to actually engage in a dialogue with the moderators of the forum first. Ultimately they are the ones who would be giving out any warnings in that forum.

Oh, yes, I'm sure that eryn would love to hear from me. :roll: I know what the response would be. Again, they won't agree, and I shouldn't have to make claims like this about another member. It's the STAFF's job to do that. Otherwise, what good are the mods, Gode?

and as to not getting any result, well then PM them again and ask them why they haven't responded, or PM an admin and ask them to follow up on why the moderator didn't respond, and if that nets you nothing, PM LoP as the boardowner and ask him why neither his moderators nor his admins are responding.

Because nothing would be done. I can send a hundred PM's, and nothing will ever change. I only need to go back on my own PM's with you, and other mods to see that pattern. Although, in your case, you are far more open minded, and listen which I appreciate.

It was looked into, by me if noone else (and I have the PM's to prove it) and the explanation I gave you was the one found. Now if that explanation isn't good enough for you, then frankly you need to adopt better tactics than going to a completely unrelated messageboard and venting.

Yes, a technicality conveniently made to brush this off, and Rhea gets away with another troll. Nice. No thanks.

 

[Captain Jack]

Until EI gets its shit together, I'm done with it. I won't be treated like some third class citizen. I won't be talked down to, and I won't tolerate stupid excuses for what is clearly a blatant violation of EI's own rules. How can I be a member there and feel comfortable there when I know I'll get shafted for anything while others are overlooked. I can't.

LoP promised a change in the right direction. I'm giving him that chance by being out of his way. I won't torment him. And I don't want to make his duties any more difficult. But so far, I haven't seen any changes.

 

[bad dog]

Jack you are cool but stop being suck a fucking pussy. Grow some balls boy. week after week you fucks whine here and I just want to kick the fuck out of you dumb bastards.

 

[Captain Jack]

Thanks Bad Dog.

Gode, I've PM'ed LoP a few times in the past. He knows of this. I leave it in his hands. I'm done.

 

[bad dog]

I will one time slam fuck troll them, you just wait.

 

[Captain Jack]

I will one time slam fuck troll them, you just wait.

Do as you wish, Bad Dog. But they've already suffered more than their fair share both from outsiders, and within.

 

[Godeskian]

But, Gode, since when have the admins/mods ever changed their minds, or lreally listened to members differing opinions?

That's harsh, not particularly fair either.

And that is EXACTLY what happened. I sent the PM, but the issued was dropped. Not by me though. And that is one of EI's problem.

Really? Did you send a followup to LoP? Did you contact Jid and Eryn? Because the impression I got from your posts is that you sent one PM, got a reply, then stopped trying to deal with the issue and came here to complain.

Oh, yes, I'm sure that eryn would love to hear from me. :roll: I know what the response would be.

Did it ever occur to you that this kind of sentiment is probably part of the reason you get those responses? I don't know if Eryn reads Tk or not, I've never asked and it's none of my business, but if I knew someone was being openly contemptous about me, i'd probably be less inclined to cut them a break.

It's the STAFF's job to do that. Otherwise, what good are the mods, Gode?

You cannot, absolutely cannot have it both ways. Either the members support the staff by bringing issues to their attention, and they get looked at (even if they don't get resolved to your satisfaction, which appears to be the case here) or members don't bring things to the staff, and have to accept the staff's decisions about what is and isn't a problem.

We have almost nine hundred thousand posts on Exisle at the moment, and not only does that mean that there will be posts that are missed, but also that with over a dozen people on the moderating staff there will be widely diverging opinions on what is and what isn't warnable.

And before you say 'but I Pmmed LoP', he is not a moderator of AGQ. If you really can't help the contempt towards Eryn, then talk to Jid. The whole point of having two moderators in most high-strung forums is so that if you have personal issues with one, you can go to the other.

Because nothing would be done. I can send a hundred PM's, and nothing will ever change.

You know, deciding what other people will and won't do is a dicey proposition in many ways, and requires far greated knowledge than can be gleaned from message-board conversations.

but herein also lies the rub. You demand that something be done, that your complaints be heard, and I offer you a way to do so. You then immediately reject that alternative without even trying it and conclude that the staff is at fault. Which, false logic aside, means that no matter what I suggest, you can always just dismiss it out of hand because 'you know' what the staff is going to do.

Yes, a technicality conveniently made to brush this off, and Rhea gets away with another troll. Nice. No thanks.

No, a decision made by the same moderating staff you so cavalierly dumped the entire responsibility for Exisle onto earlier in your post.

You don't agree with the decision, that's fine. Dissent is the basis for civilisation at the end of the day but going to an unrelated forum to complain, not to mention insult people back at Exisle isn't going to fix anything.

I've been trying to explain this for days now, and I don't seem to be getting anywhere, so I can only assume my facility with the english language is degrading. Telling me what the problem is on TK, complaining about how Eryn doesn't like you and you think Rhea's a troll achieves nothing, worse than nothing actually, because the vitriol predisposes people's reactions against you.

In terms of fixing the problem, we're no further now than we were when we started this debate a page and a half ago. I'd actually like to get this fixed sooner or later.

 

[bad dog]

That's harsh, not particularly fair either.



Really? Did you send a followup to LoP? Did you contact Jid and Eryn? Because the impression I got from your posts is that you sent one PM, got a reply, then stopped trying to deal with the issue and came here to complain.



Did it ever occur to you that this kind of sentiment is probably part of the reason you get those responses? I don't know if Eryn reads Tk or not, I've never asked and it's none of my business, but if I knew someone was being openly contemptous about me, i'd probably be less inclined to cut them a break.



You cannot, absolutely cannot have it both ways. Either the members support the staff by bringing issues to their attention, and they get looked at (even if they don't get resolved to your satisfaction, which appears to be the case here) or members don't bring things to the staff, and have to accept the staff's decisions about what is and isn't a problem.

We have almost nine hundred thousand posts on Exisle at the moment, and not only does that mean that there will be posts that are missed, but also that with over a dozen people on the moderating staff there will be widely diverging opinions on what is and what isn't warnable.

And before you say 'but I Pmmed LoP', he is not a moderator of AGQ. If you really can't help the contempt towards Eryn, then talk to Jid. The whole point of having two moderators in most high-strung forums is so that if you have personal issues with one, you can go to the other.



You know, deciding what other people will and won't do is a dicey proposition in many ways, and requires far greated knowledge than can be gleaned from message-board conversations.

but herein also lies the rub. You demand that something be done, that your complaints be heard, and I offer you a way to do so. You then immediately reject that alternative without even trying it and conclude that the staff is at fault. Which, false logic aside, means that no matter what I suggest, you can always just dismiss it out of hand because 'you know' what the staff is going to do.



No, a decision made by the same moderating staff you so cavalierly dumped the entire responsibility for Exisle onto earlier in your post.

You don't agree with the decision, that's fine. Dissent is the basis for civilisation at the end of the day but going to an unrelated forum to complain, not to mention insult people back at Exisle isn't going to fix anything.

I've been trying to explain this for days now, and I don't seem to be getting anywhere, so I can only assume my facility with the english language is degrading. Telling me what the problem is on TK, complaining about how Eryn doesn't like you and you think Rhea's a troll achieves nothing, worse than nothing actually, because the vitriol predisposes people's reactions against you.

In terms of fixing the problem, we're no further now than we were when we started this debate a page and a half ago. I'd actually like to get this fixed sooner or later.

^^ hey fucker , you writing a book?

 

[Godeskian]

^^ hey fucker , you writing a book?

Yes actually, two of them.

 

[bad dog]

you wordy bastards are fun to fuck with. HAVE FUN ASSHOLE.

 

[Captain Jack]

Too long, didn't read. Just kidding.

That's harsh, not particularly fair either.

What's harsh is that it's true. Every time some one has felt that (with good reason) a suspension was wrong, or a decision was a mistake, it was met with contempt. Always the "Staff is right, you're wrong" attitude. AQG is peppered with entire threads with that.

Really? Did you send a followup to LoP? Did you contact Jid and Eryn? Because the impression I got from your posts is that you sent one PM, got a reply, then stopped trying to deal with the issue and came here to complain.

I said it so many times now. I and LoP have PM'ed each other a few times at the least about this. Eryn I don't trust, and last I recall, Jid is no longer a mod, yes? I didn't send 1 PM. Gode, PLEASE READ MY POSTS. Hell, I'd post LoP's replies right here, but I don't think that would be right to do that to him.

Did it ever occur to you that this kind of sentiment is probably part of the reason you get those responses? I don't know if Eryn reads Tk or not, I've never asked and it's none of my business, but if I knew someone was being openly contemptous about me, i'd probably be less inclined to cut them a break.

I don't care what eryn reads. And frankly, with the way eryn has acted as a mod, she's earned my contempt of her.

You cannot, absolutely cannot have it both ways. Either the members support the staff by bringing issues to their attention, and they get looked at (even if they don't get resolved to your satisfaction, which appears to be the case here) or members don't bring things to the staff, and have to accept the staff's decisions about what is and isn't a problem.

Ah, but members HAVE brought issues to the staff's attention, and look at what has happened practically every single time. Nothing but a big wall put up. Apparantly, nothing that is my, or certain other peoples problems are the staff's problem. Gode, ALL issues from members must be given equal consideration. As LoP said himself, the board is for the members, and for them to be happy to be a part of. When members aren't happy, the staff should try to see it as a problem and attempt to fix it.

We have almost nine hundred thousand posts on Exisle at the moment, and not only does that mean that there will be posts that are missed, but also that with over a dozen people on the moderating staff there will be widely diverging opinions on what is and what isn't warnable.

Hmmm...none of my comments were missed. None of G1223's, HF's, VKD's, RobL's, Cait's, and a number of others posts were missed. I and HF addressed another members comments, and it was "overlooked".

And before you say 'but I Pmmed LoP', he is not a moderator of AGQ. If you really can't help the contempt towards Eryn, then talk to Jid. The whole point of having two moderators in most high-strung forums is so that if you have personal issues with one, you can go to the other.

OMG, Gode, I can't believe you wrote that! He's more than a mod, he the friggin' OWNER! Who else should care MORE than the OWNER??????? Who else should be more concerned about the problems and such of a message board than the owner???

You know, deciding what other people will and won't do is a dicey proposition in many ways, and requires far greated knowledge than can be gleaned from message-board conversations.

All one has to do is look at the track record. A clear pattern is there to easily see what goes on. Granted, it ain't 100%, but it does give a clear idea of how the board handles things.

but herein also lies the rub. You demand that something be done, that your complaints be heard, and I offer you a way to do so. You then immediately reject that alternative without even trying it and conclude that the staff is at fault. Which, false logic aside, means that no matter what I suggest, you can always just dismiss it out of hand because 'you know' what the staff is going to do.

Heh, demand? No. I've just been pointing out what's been happening-or not happening in this case. The staff isn't going to do anything. And that's fine.

No, a decision made by the same moderating staff you so cavalierly dumped the entire responsibility for Exisle onto earlier in your post.

Kind of like how they so cavalierly dumped my complaints in limbo-land.

You don't agree with the decision, that's fine. Dissent is the basis for civilisation at the end of the day but going to an unrelated forum to complain, not to mention insult people back at Exisle isn't going to fix anything.

Insult? No. Just pointing out the facts.

I've been trying to explain this for days now, and I don't seem to be getting anywhere, so I can only assume my facility with the english language is degrading. Telling me what the problem is on TK, complaining about how Eryn doesn't like you and you think Rhea's a troll achieves nothing, worse than nothing actually, because the vitriol predisposes people's reactions against you.

You're english is perfect, and clear as glass. We're not getting anywhere because you don't seem to understand my position, and my experiences with the staff. Perhaps it is I who am having the difficulty communicating with you in english. I don't care if eryn likes me or not. I don't care about eryn. I don't trust her because she lost my trust a long time ago. That's not insulting, that's fact.

In terms of fixing the problem, we're no further now than we were when we started this debate a page and a half ago. I'd actually like to get this fixed sooner or later.

You're right. And I'd like to get things fixed as well. But, I just don't see it happening. Not because I don't want it to.