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Tolerance

Further said:
As long as you leave me out of your protesting you can say whatever you want. I know how to turn off the TV and not read bs on the internets.

There will always be things you disagree with that affect you negatively. That is life. It will never change. If you potheads ever do manage to legalize it, you will quickly find something else illegal to obsess over.

Now, I do not approve of drug prohibition, but hold no sympathy for stoners in legal trouble. Marijuana is not legal. Anywhere. At best it is approved for medical use, but literally no one actually uses it that way, and you and your buddies certainly don't. Furthermore the Feds don't give a shit about states rights and neither do the tolerant liberals who complain whenever they get in the way your drugs and gay marriages.

Also, I might care more about your causes if they were not so stupid. Weak drugs and state sanctioned butt sex, srsly guys get over it.
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Aren't prisons state-sanctioned buttsex? And by advocating that people who do illegal things go to unisex prisons, you are in fact encouraging, advocating and in some cases forcing gay buttsecks on people.

You fuckin homo. Smoke a bowl and lighten up already.
 
If you are stupid enough to get caught smoking weed and actually be put in prision for it, you'd probably enjoy the buttsex anyways CAUSE GAY PEOPLE ARE STOOPID
 
'Gear said:
Well, since I suspect you're just hounding me and don't really give a shit what my answer would be, how about you first...
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Please do not project your behaviour onto me. If you are unable to answer the question, just say so.
 
Stop being intolerant of the intolerant! :rwmad:

Does being tolerant mean I have to like, or maybe not care, what others do or think? I think I'm pretty tolerant of other people and their beliefs, but I don't usually agree with them. I have to bite my tongue when relatives start talking religion, or racism.
 
'Gear said:
And seeing as how I have yet to explain my brand of tolerance, what would that be?

I dare ya...

I double dog dare ya...

I TRIPLE dog dare ya...
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Of course, Gear had committed a slight faux pas by going from "double-dog dare" directly to "Triple-dog-dare" and skipping over "triple dare", but no matter. The gauntlet was thrown...
 
I'm tolerant to all except the intolerant, and to those who actually do something negative to me. Like those two inbred redneck neo-Nazis I knew in 12th grade, who thought that drawing Confederate flags with swastikas on them on the chalkboard was a good idea, and one of them once used a knife to slice the notes I had written down. They were destructive assholes who would masturbate if DiegoWolfFox and SaintLucifer came near them, simply because they would be in the prescence of two idiots like themselves.
 
eloisel said:
Please explain your own view on tolerance.

Is it the kind of tolerance for the things you like, agree with and approve of but intolerant of the things you don't like, agree with and approve of?
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Lets see....I do not like murder, rape, abuse, so....yeah not so tolerant of those things.
 
I'm comfortable enough with myself and the world around me that I have no problem with people being different then me.

As far as I'm concerned, people can and should do, think and say what they please. As long as they don't hurt anyone else or try to force/leverage others to be the way they are, then they should feel free to continue as they see fit.

For example - I don't think being gay hurts anyone. I don't think being black hurts anyone. I don't think believing in god hurts anyone. However, my personal tolerance for you and your creed ends where your respect for my right to do and think as I please ends.

In other words, I'm not gay, I'm not black, and I don't believe in god. If you'd like me to tolerate you, you must tolerate the fact that I may not be like you and have the right to remain so. Just like you'd like me to tolerate you being not like me.
 
'Gear said:
I'm comfortable enough with myself and the world around me that I have no problem with people being different then me.

As far as I'm concerned, people can and should do, think and say what they please. As long as they don't hurt anyone else or try to force/leverage others to be the way they are, then they should feel free to continue as they see fit.

For example - I don't think being gay hurts anyone. I don't think being black hurts anyone. I don't think believing in god hurts anyone. However, my personal tolerance for you and your creed ends where your respect for my right to do and think as I please ends.

In other words, I'm not gay, I'm not black, and I don't believe in god. If you'd like me to tolerate you, you must tolerate the fact that I may not be like you and have the right to remain so. Just like you'd like me to tolerate you being not like me.
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This kind of paranoia completely confounds me. Nobody who is gay has any problem whatsoever with your being straight, and the fact that you go out of your way to posit the idea of a gay person being, what, heterophobic makes me think that there's something further there.
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
This kind of paranoia completely confounds me. Nobody who is gay has any problem whatsoever with your being straight, and the fact that you go out of your way to posit the idea of a gay person being, what, heterophobic makes me think that there's something further there.
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Did you read where I said "for example"? I was using the popularity of homophobia as an example. For you to turn that around and make it some twisted example of me being intolerant is pretty sick. Maybe you should check your shoulder for a chip.

I'm simply not homophobic. The fact that you can find homophobia lurking in a statement to the contrary speaks volumes to your insecurity and willingness to strike out against peaceful coexistence.
 
Well, I don't think you're a homophobe, and I didn't mean to imply that. I do think that your bullshit equivocating of intolerance towards minorities and intolerance by minorities is completely ignorant of social context and realities, given the very large social imbalances, and that you're taking the word "tolerant" in its narrowest possible form. I don't "tolerate" people who are different than me, I embrace them insofar as our value systems are compatible. You just seem to think that it's okay to accept that other groups exist.
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
I don't "tolerate" people who are different than me, I embrace them insofar as our value systems are compatible. You just seem to think that it's okay to accept that other groups exist.
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Thats the word I was looking for: embrace. Thanks.
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
Well, I don't think you're a homophobe, and I didn't mean to imply that. I do think that your bullshit equivocating of intolerance towards minorities and intolerance by minorities is completely ignorant of social context and realities, given the very large social imbalances, and that you're taking the word "tolerant" in its narrowest possible form. I don't "tolerate" people who are different than me, I embrace them insofar as our value systems are compatible. You just seem to think that it's okay to accept that other groups exist.
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I know your type. You 're one of those people who views the word 'tolerate' more like 'put up with'. Which, makes you guilty of being intolerant by definition. I'd to redirect the conversation back to the definitions of tolerance I posted earlier in this thread -

1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
3. interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.

When I say tolerance, I have the above definitions in mind. Towards homosexuals, minorities and those with different religious views then me.

Then I like to agree with you that my use of the word thus-far has been in a very narrow sense. I was trying to address issues I've read in this forum over the last few months. Some silly trolls with nasty undertones and some seriously differing positions. I'd be happy to expand the topic with you at your leisure.

You are aware that your "embrace them insofar as our value systems are compatible" falls well short of the definition of tolerance? That's that 'tolerate as in 'put up with' I mentioned above. In fact, it's totally intolerant of huge cross sections of people all across the world who are incompatable with your value system. How about people who disagree with you on some of the hot button political issues like abortion or gay mariage? Do offer them your warm embrace?

Given the very large social imbalances, it seems you may be quite intolerant.

Be that as it may - I don't think you and I are too far apart. Your 'embrace them isofar' and my 'rights extend to the end of my arm' essentially accomplish the same thing. I am curious as to why you want to seek out intolerance under every stone and behind every word. Maybe you aren't as tolerant of others as you demand they be with you. Or should we say embrace?
 
'Gear said:
You are aware that your "embrace them insofar as our value systems are compatible" falls well short of the definition of tolerance? That's that 'tolerate as in 'put up with' I mentioned above. In fact, it's totally intolerant of huge cross sections of people all across the world who are incompatable with your value system. How about people who disagree with you on some of the hot button political issues like abortion or gay mariage? Do offer them your warm embrace?
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Of course not. I think people who oppose abortion and gay marriage are immoral monsters who, demonstrably and empirically, can be shown to increase total suffering in the world. Somebody's political beliefs are quite different from their religious, racial, cultural, or sexual identity, and those I respect wholeheartedly. I don't think assimilating political identity into that category is relevant or useful.

Given the very large social imbalances, it seems you may be quite intolerant.
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I can accept the label "intolerant" towards people who have political views I see as abhorrent. I don't think it's a very useful word to use in that situation, but it would definitely apply to me.


Be that as it may - I don't think you and I are too far apart. Your 'embrace them isofar' and my 'rights extend to the end of my arm' essentially accomplish the same thing.
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I can't really disagree with this.
 
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