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Well, as predicted....nothing changed.
- Thread starter Conundrum
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foil1212 said:
Well looking at those points some of them I very much doubt many people support. Stuff like making the rules more defined just gives the rules lawyers more opportunitys to try and find loopholes and contradictions, the vast majority of people seem to agree with having less rules defined.
As for a couple of those other points, all I can say is that Elwood has definitely seen them.
Lord Foil1212
TK addict
this could be true 
and Bailey. Some of those rules can be taken advantage of like say, trolling without prior contribution. Every time it is enacted, it could be interpreted however Elwood wants it. Some troll could argue that something was contribution before the trolling, etc.
and Bailey. Some of those rules can be taken advantage of like say, trolling without prior contribution. Every time it is enacted, it could be interpreted however Elwood wants it. Some troll could argue that something was contribution before the trolling, etc.
foil1212 said:this could be true
and Bailey. Some of those rules can be taken advantage of like say, trolling without prior contribution. Every time it is enacted, it could be interpreted however Elwood wants it. Some troll could argue that something was contribution before the trolling, etc.
Yeah, but further clarifying the rules beyond a point just reaches diminishing returns.
I doubt even many here support further clarification of rules, look at the debate over the rules for Volpones board.
Lord Foil1212
TK addict
I don't care about that. I'm not looking for a new board, I'm looking to improve a board I have come to enjoy posting at.
Anna
missmanners' favorite toy
Yeah, 'cuz people have never done that with what few rules WF already has!Bailey said:
That aside:
:techman: At a certain point, if you keep clarifying and tailoring rules to weed out trolls, then you get the TBBS scenario, where certain forums have to operate by a different set of rules than others and conversations is stifled. That's really no fun.
Lord Foil1212
TK addict
I was merely stating ideas. I never said they were finalized, and I never said I wasn't going to change my mind. Extreme trolling apparently isn't even in the rules anymore, and I gave up the mod elections.
Denny Crane
HAHALOL!
Trust me guys, nothing is going to change.
WF is going to be as it is now, without any significant changes.
Either we post there less (like I am doing) or we shut up.
Nothing is going to change as long as we keep posting there positively.
And Bailey, you are just a kiss arse now. FUCK OFF!
:kitty:
WF is going to be as it is now, without any significant changes.
Either we post there less (like I am doing) or we shut up.
Nothing is going to change as long as we keep posting there positively.
And Bailey, you are just a kiss arse now. FUCK OFF!
:kitty:
Anna
missmanners' favorite toy
We'd need a LOT more people to leave to make a change, though--and different folks, ones that usually stay out of board dramas and that have been firmly established as not being a troll.Denny Crane said:
That said, some will have to get better at picking their battles. Some things, like a poorly-chosen thread merge or the banning of certain individual that has proven over and over and over and over again that he'll disregard basic human decency, let alone the few rules the place has doesn't make the mod(s) in question into fascist dictators. Even on our worse day, WF isn't close to being TBBS, and just because someone doesn't see what's wrong with a decision doesn't mean they want TBBS part II
Likewise, mods should lay off on the troll accusations and cut the condescending act. With the new supermods, that shouldn't be much of a problem, but anyone who is crazy enough to accept any future mod positions there should look at Listkeeper and Cass as examples of what *not* to do when dealing with HD policies. Just because someone questions a mod decision and doesn't brainlessly agree with it doesn't mean they want TK part II. Anyone who does want TK will vote with their feet soon enough and don't give a rat's ass if the place falls off the net.
It's a two-way street, and both sides are best to remember that honey attracts more bees than vinegar.
That is all.
:mrsa:
Anna
missmanners' favorite toy
foil1212 : what a radical change from your old thinking.
Not really, I'm just sucking up to pond scum. (Hi, Cass!!!
)
[/sarcasm]
Seriously, to be told, a lot of the time in the past, the point of what some were arguing about just went over my head. Coming from TBBS, where everything, particularly the forum I posted the most in, was micro-managed and nannified, it was kind of hard for me to see most of the issues people fought on.
Not really, I'm just sucking up to pond scum. (Hi, Cass!!!
)[/sarcasm]
Seriously, to be told, a lot of the time in the past, the point of what some were arguing about just went over my head. Coming from TBBS, where everything, particularly the forum I posted the most in, was micro-managed and nannified, it was kind of hard for me to see most of the issues people fought on.
Lord Foil1212
TK addict
I remember when you were all TBBS!!!!!!
T'Bonz
TrekBBS Wench
Bailey is right. A real troll won't be stopped by more rules. It just gives them a different challenge. Therefore you should be careful about what you add. Too many online are like that jackass up north, suing about his missing trousers. They pick on any silly point and try to legalize you to death.
Markb
fuck me RAW Henny!
To a point, yes. Less rules as a whole are to be desired, but when you have a wildly varied policy of enforcement, where posters on the shit list are hammered with them, and the protected one's can flaunt them, all acording to the staff interpetation of them, you need clarification.
Sredni Vashtar
the beautiful
I haven't seen this much incestuous shit since the last time my dad my dad took a dump on my sister.
Volpone
Zombie Hunter
I have one hope for Wordforge. While they've addressed some of the symptoms--some of the most Eliteforge have left the staff--and they've pared the staff way down and left some that people, I think, largely trust, they still haven't addressed the root of the problem.
Elwood still runs the board. And Elwood still relies on his Inner Circle for advice and input. So you've still got your Elwood, Tamar, Storm, Listkeeper, Cass, and whoever else I might be forgetting--and now that they aren't on staff they have even less accountability for their actions. So you have a situation where things are ready to blow up again.
Another symptom that hasn't been addressed is the "I didn't agree with Elwood but :clyde: he's the boss. My hands are tied." Factor. The restructuring COULD give the moderators some real power to influence things and make sure less of the shifty, corrupt stuff goes on. But only if the mods are willing to toe the line and stand up to Elwood when things get out of hand. If they just shrug and say "Ah well, it's his board. He can do what he wants." then they are worse than useless and the next blowup WILL fracture the board (worse than this one has).
Elwood still runs the board. And Elwood still relies on his Inner Circle for advice and input. So you've still got your Elwood, Tamar, Storm, Listkeeper, Cass, and whoever else I might be forgetting--and now that they aren't on staff they have even less accountability for their actions. So you have a situation where things are ready to blow up again.
Another symptom that hasn't been addressed is the "I didn't agree with Elwood but :clyde: he's the boss. My hands are tied." Factor. The restructuring COULD give the moderators some real power to influence things and make sure less of the shifty, corrupt stuff goes on. But only if the mods are willing to toe the line and stand up to Elwood when things get out of hand. If they just shrug and say "Ah well, it's his board. He can do what he wants." then they are worse than useless and the next blowup WILL fracture the board (worse than this one has).