Who was worse? Adolf Hitler or George S. Patton

[The Question]

So, in summary I have a group of people in the community who have similar values (not necessarily belief systems) and have taken on many british characteristics. They enrich my life - the ones that have created an enclave or pure system apart (particularly the pakistani community) do not enrich my life but provide services to the community.

Your summary, whether you realize it or not, supports the very point I made. Multiculturalism is not about assimilation. "Diversity", as it applies to the practice of multiculturalism, is all about these enclaves you point out. It's about not assimilating into the dominant culture -- after all, assimilation into the dominant culture eliminates the "multi" in multiculturalism, now doesn't it?

I disagree with from personal experience.

Actually, although you didn't realize you were doing so, you agreed with me based on personal experience. You disagree with me, then, based on preference. And I don't blame you. We like to think of ourselves as enlightened. But -- and let's keep this under our hats, now -- each of us, as individuals, is free to decide what constitutes enlightenment.

 

[Cranky Bastard]

Mixing any two races while attempting to maintain "diversity" always results in friction and prejudice which inflames racism.

Mixing any two races with an expectation towards assimilation produce cultural evolution which mitigates racism.

Multi-culturalism aims at the first objective while expecting the results of the second. It hasn't worked yet.

 

[The Question]

Or is all your multicultural food prepared by Americans?

Just spotted this; It had damned well better all be prepared by Americans, because aside from those with work Visas, non-Americans aren't legally permitted to work in the service industry.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

A worse what?

I think Adolf Hitler was a worse human being than General Patton.
I think Patton was worse at killing Jews.
I think Hitler was worse at winning wars.
I think Patton was a worse painter.
I think Hitler was a worse writer than Patton.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

Just spotted this; It had damned well better all be prepared by Americans, because aside from those with work Visas, non-Americans aren't legally permitted to work in the service industry.

and yet kitchens everywhere are staffed by illegals. what are YOU going to do about it?

 

[The Question]

I'm gonna raise up an army of unemployed Americans and give them the names of local businesses who prefer illegal employees, then get me a video camera and watch bricks fly through windows, that's what!

:bigass:

 

[Cranky Bastard]

On the big Mexican Boycott Day when Mexicans were supposed to shut everything down by refusing to work, The Harlot and I drove to Butte's only good Mexican restaurant.

It's a little dive paired with a casino with some of the tackiest decor and blaring latino music. Also, some of the best Mexican food I've ever tasted. You can tell the young woman who owns it and her waiter cousin are less than a few years from over the border - broken english, thick accents.

So we drive up expecting to see the place closed and a Mex flag draped in the window, but we see a crowded (more than usual) joint bursting with people, beer and smiles.

We had planned to boycott their business permanently on our own if they were closed. We eat there so often now that I think I'm growing a sombrero out the crown of my head.

I'm not sure whether they are illegal or not, but their demonstration in support of America by refusing to join the Mexican Boycott told me everything I need to know: these particular restaurant owners want to be productive Americans.

Which is more than I can say for some of the bored "elites" in Berkeley.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

I'm gonna raise up an army of unemployed Americans and give them the names of local businesses who prefer illegal employees, then get me a video camera and watch bricks fly through windows, that's what!

:bigass:

sure you are. good luck getting those lazy fuckers stop posting angry, self-pitying rants on the internets and go do something that requires a little effort.

 

[Tyrant]

Ah, unemployed = lazy. Great start you're getting off to in this thread, and it really demonstrates your profound intellect too.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

Thanks, Messenger.

 

[The Question]

sure you are. good luck getting those lazy fuckers stop posting angry, self-pitying rants on the internets and go do something that requires a little effort.

Riiiiiiiight, they're not working because they don't wanna -- as opposed to the possibility that they don't work because they can't, which would result from the fact that employers who pay second-hand dirt to illegals see no reason to hire Americans for legal wages.

We've got a dozen little teenagers loitering around downtown who can't get jobs in any of the fast-food joints up and down the street, because those self-same fast-food joints are full of little Mexica who can barely degrade themselves to speak just enough English to take an order.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

Riiiiiiiight, they're not working because they don't wanna -- as opposed to the possibility that they don't work because they can't, which would result from the fact that employers who pay second-hand dirt to illegals see no reason to hire Americans for legal wages.

We've got a dozen little teenagers loitering around downtown who can't get jobs in any of the fast-food joints up and down the street, because those self-same fast-food joints are full of little Mexica who can barely degrade themselves to speak just enough English to take an order.

If they needed jobs to survive, they'd find them. Obviously they don't, so they're being out-competed.

It's not as thought these loitering teenagers are begging or picking up cans.

 

[Tyrant]

If they needed jobs to survive, they'd find them. Obviously they don't, so they're being out-competed.

It's not as thought these loitering teenagers are begging or picking up cans.

What many people forget when using the "They work hard, why can't you?" argument is that the US is not a third world nation.

Why the heck should the citizens of a 1st world nation have to work for the same pennies that illegals work for, and return home to some roach-infested housing like they do?

How about we gather all the people in the world and auction off all of their labor, and see who works for the least amount? Then we can set a basic, miserably low standard of living for the entire planet.

Or perhaps the USA should turn off the cash pipeline into Mexico, boot the illegals out, and watch their corrupt politicians actually attempt to fix their slophole. After that's done we could have trade and economic interaction based on (*gasp*) economic theory, and not idealistic, pie in the sky notions of the US and global economy being magically boosted by an alien labor force in the wealthiest nations.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

I for one enjoy the benefits of the alien labor force on a daily basis. My house is clean, my lawn is trimmed, and my table at the restaurant is cleared with a minimum of fuss and facial piercings. What the fuck do I care if some kid can't get a summer job?

 

[Tyrant]

I for one enjoy the benefits of the alien labor force on a daily basis. My house is clean, my lawn is trimmed, and my table at the restaurant is cleared with a minimum of fuss and facial piercings. What the fuck do I care if some kid can't get a summer job?

Almost three million illegal aliens received amnesty under the 1986 law, about the same number estimated to qualify under AgJOBS. A 1997 report by the Center for Immigration Studies estimates that, over a ten-year period, the population amnestied in 1986 received over $102 billion in federal, state and local assistance programs and services and paid a total of $78 billion in taxes, for a net direct cost of $24 billion. The indirect costs added almost $55 billion more. Will U.S. taxpayers be forced to pick up a similar tab as a result of AgJOBS?

http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/Craig AgJOBS - facts to know.pdf

It's not just "some kid."

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

I defy you to balance that paltry $23 billion against the cost savings to consumers the cheap labor has provided.

 

[Tyrant]

I defy you to balance that paltry $23 billion against the cost savings to consumers the cheap labor has provided.

Consumer? What about the employee? The money sent to Mexico is gone. That kid with his summer job would be spending it in the US. I don't think you know anything at all about economics, being dazzled by your trim lawn and shiny tabletop.

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

Consumer? What about the employee? The money sent to Mexico is gone. That kid with his summer job would be spending it in the US. I don't think you know anything at all about economics, being dazzled by your trim lawn and shiny tabletop.

That's funny. Your total focus on costs and refusal to acknowledge any benefits reveals just how biased you are. On balance, the US benefits more than Mexico. It's ridiculous to cry about a few lost service or manufacturing jobs when American workers should be aiming a lot higher.

 

[Tyrant]

That's funny. Your total focus on costs and refusal to acknowledge any benefits reveals just how biased you are.

OH, OK... Then show me the benefits.

On balance, the US benefits more than Mexico.

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000911.html

The Mexican citizens cross our border illegally. Some of them find work, and many of them send their earnings back to Mexico. Those earnings have added up to nearly $17 billion in the past year. Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Trade deficit with Mexico for the last year surpassed $45 billion.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens are using bank accounts in this country to send those remittances home, and many U.S. banks are now aggressively helping illegal aliens open those accounts. Those banks refer to the practice in the political correct vernacular as banking the unbanked.

Should we factor in the free healthcare and destruction illegal criminals cause?

It's ridiculous to cry about a few lost service or manufacturing jobs when American workers should be aiming a lot higher.

Ah, I see you've cited here the American demographic pyramid scheme. It's not a 'few,' and there will always be a need for garbage men and factory workers. Please explain why American citizens "should be aiming a lot higher."

 

[El Rod d'Irico]

As I already stated, cheap labor benefits consumers. I even put it in concrete terms for you, referring to the specific ways cheap labor benefits my particular life. Do you have any idea what the total savings to consumers adds up to? If you don't, then why are your nattering on about total costs? There are two sides to this economic equation, and, in your googlings for factlets to prop up your biases, you appear to have neglected the "benefit" side.