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Am I fairly intelligent?
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Gonad
DON'T FUCK WITH MY TITLE BITCH
Okay, so you support Muslims. The title of your original post is "Am I Fairly Intelligent?" heading this post:
To me, the implication is that Intelligence and supporting Muslims are inversely proportional. I disagree with that implication, but I'm probably reading too far into it. So, what does your support of Muslims have to do with your level of intelligence?
Messenger said:
To me, the implication is that Intelligence and supporting Muslims are inversely proportional. I disagree with that implication, but I'm probably reading too far into it. So, what does your support of Muslims have to do with your level of intelligence?
It has to do with the fact that in Muslims are generally looked down upon in American society and that knowledge of them within the higher castes of our democracy is generally inferior. It was meant to be a provocative statement although one which I support.Gonad said:
To you, the implication might seem that intelligence and support of Muslims (In the geopolitical sense, but I'm sure you've inferred that much up to this point, right?) has some correlation, at least in regards towards my opening statement. I'll say that it does have a correlation in regards towards cultural perception, or preconceptions. My statement was meant to be provocative. I'm sure a smart girl like you had figure that out, so let me ask you: Why are you wasting our time with your infantile queries? Have I slipped up at some point, a point which you wish to build up to and point out, or do you insist on acting like a lost little girl just to amuse yourself?
Gonad
DON'T FUCK WITH MY TITLE BITCH
So this thread is not about you as much as it is about challenging a popular cultural perception.
I agree with this. But I don't think that one has to attain greater knowledge of Islam to not look down upon it. This is about acceptance and the understanding that one's beliefs are subjective, not objective.
I agree with this. But I don't think that one has to attain greater knowledge of Islam to not look down upon it. This is about acceptance and the understanding that one's beliefs are subjective, not objective.
A thread I start which isn't about me? What is the world coming to?Gonad said:
Holy fucking shit, you're joking. You mean I shouldn't look down upon Islam because it's practitioners are mostly mud people?
OH MY GOD
Perhaps the fact that I constantly try to drive home, the one that cultural and religious flaws shouldn't be judged by ignorant stereotypes, and that said judgements should have some meaningful basis, has evaded you?
Please explain how belief, which some might imply to be faith, can be 'subjective' to interpretation, particularly by those who aren't practitioners of it, unless I have misunderstood your statement here entirely.
The Question
Eternal
Miss Tanner said:
The last sentence is 100% correct, for all the reasons prior to it except one: they are human. Wishing they weren't doesn't change their taxonomy. Their religious tenets absolutely and without reservation are among the worst, most disgustingly stupid things humanity has ever produced -- but then, all three of the sandbox religions display assloads of ethnocentrism, naked greed and bloodlust. Let's not throw facts out the window in the face of emotion.
The Question
Eternal
And a note on stereotypes: they only become stereotypes through repeated observation over a long period of time in a wide variety of situations. However, they have less to do with anything as superficial as skin color than they have to do with the culture and social values shared by the majority of people who share such physical traits.
For example, will someone who looks Mexican and speaks Spanish but not English always turn out to be an illegal alien? Of course not. Would you be all surprised and flabberghasted if he did? If you say you would, you're either lying or insane. It isn't his skin color alone that would predispose him to break immigration law, of course -- it's the fact that the country he appears to hail from has a demonstrated dismissiveness of law and order in general, and American laws in particular, and because statistically, the highest percentage of illegal aliens the average person encounters are Mexican nationals. You'd have to be deliberately naive to encounter such a person and not consider the possibility.
All the long way around saying that everyone engages in stereotyping; it isn't wrong or immoral; in fact, more often than not, when we do it we're spot-on correct.
For example, will someone who looks Mexican and speaks Spanish but not English always turn out to be an illegal alien? Of course not. Would you be all surprised and flabberghasted if he did? If you say you would, you're either lying or insane. It isn't his skin color alone that would predispose him to break immigration law, of course -- it's the fact that the country he appears to hail from has a demonstrated dismissiveness of law and order in general, and American laws in particular, and because statistically, the highest percentage of illegal aliens the average person encounters are Mexican nationals. You'd have to be deliberately naive to encounter such a person and not consider the possibility.
All the long way around saying that everyone engages in stereotyping; it isn't wrong or immoral; in fact, more often than not, when we do it we're spot-on correct.
Messenger said:
Quoted for Truth.
This point seems to be mythically missed by so many.
Another point to make is that Mulsim does not = anything. Just like Christianity does not = anything. The world is not so simplified to conform to such easy equations.
Shades of grey can be found in everything.
Cranky Bastard
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headvoid said:
You mention context but miss it entirely quoting the new testament passages. That's a tad lame, isn't it?
Jesus uses the law to show the hypocrisy of the established church of the time. His entire purpose and teaching, at every turn, was that the law couldn't save you. He said he came to fulfill the law. With his crucifixion, the law was crucified with him. He gave us two commandments that encompass and fulfill the will of God:
1: Love your God with all your heart.....
2: Love your neighbor as yourself.
Nowhere in any teaching of his is there any command for murder. Your quote of those who don't follow is prophetic of his return and millennial rule.
No matter how good it makes you feel, there simply is no support for christians murdering anyone - and certainly not sinners like homosexuals. Jesus didn't come for the church. He hated them. He came for the sinners. How can he have come for the sinners if the church is busy killing them?
God saves the UNgodly, not the godly.
headvoid
Can I have Ops?
Cranky Bastard said:
No, that is my entire fuckin point. Right there! The new testament passages in particular are out of context - as is the Muslim "Religion of hate" you band about. Dont you see? Its easy to do on both sides - just who swallows it without question - thats the danger.
Tolerance and forgiveness? True Christian values surely? Dont see many of them in this thread.