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Another Rant
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Chatty said:
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Doesn't Michael Jackson own apart of MTV or Viacom?
Sarek
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Mentalist said:
Wrong. Michael Jackson was the first artist to create the concept of the short film. Meaning a music video that has a beginning, middle and end.
Sergei Eisenstein's 1938 film Alexander Nevsky, features lenghty scenes of battles to a score by Sergei Prokofiev, and has been described by some as the first music video.
Tony Bennett was filmed walking along The Serpentine in Hyde Park, London in 1956 singing to his recording of "Stranger in Paradise". This film was distributed and played by both UK and US television stations. Bennett later claimed he made the first music video.
I've also heard the first music video attributed to The Beatles, The Monkeys and Bob Dylan. All of whom like the above, predate Michael.
Sarek said:Wrong. Michael Jackson was the first artist to create the concept of the short film. Meaning a music video that has a beginning, middle and end.
Sergei Eisenstein's 1938 film Alexander Nevsky, features lenghty scenes of battles to a score by Sergei Prokofiev, and has been described by some as the first music video.
Tony Bennett was filmed walking along The Serpentine in Hyde Park, London in 1956 singing to his recording of "Stranger in Paradise". This film was distributed and played by both UK and US television stations. Bennett later claimed he made the first music video.
I've also heard the first music video attributed to The Beatles, The Monkeys and Bob Dylan. All of whom like the above, predate Michael.
Well, with that reasoning you can basically call any song recorded to video a music video. Since it basically is.
Before Michael there was no event attached to a music video. He invented a genre and every video since has followed in his footsteps.
Ever notice the line dancing in videos these days? MICHAEL
Ever notice the dance styles? MICHAEL
Ever notice the dress sense, Fedoras and such? MICHAEL
It all originates from Thriller. Hell, I'm not stupid, Thriller wasn't exactly technically Michaels first music video was it. It wasn't even his tenth. Seriously though, I know everything about MJ and the history pertaining to him, I know what I am on about. Thriller was the first video event, a short film that was a mimi movie set to a single track. Thriller was on 24/7 rotation Michael was the first black artist on MTV and it blew the whole idea of MTV to HUGE PROPORTIONS.
The Making of Thriller is to this day, the best selling VHS of all time. MTV owes Michael more than Michael owes MTV.
Nobody has ever done it like Mike.
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Then using that same line of logic, line dancing was used on the Grand Ole Opry and televised vaudeville skits in the 50's and 60's. As they were recorded and televised musical numbers, they can be classified as music videos. As for fedoras and "dress sense" check out some of the old Sinatra and Astair telecasts from the same era. Michael was just borrowing from a style that had all but faded with time.
You have me on the dance style though. As far as twirling about in a spastic manner can be classified as dance verses a choreographed epileptic fit.
No, all Michael did was introduce some new (and not so new) concepts to an already established medium.
You have me on the dance style though. As far as twirling about in a spastic manner can be classified as dance verses a choreographed epileptic fit.
No, all Michael did was introduce some new (and not so new) concepts to an already established medium.
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jack said:
Thriller is nice, but The Wall by Pink Floyd is THE BEST!
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Actually it goes both ways, as both have benefitted from the other. But I agree on most points with you about Michael. He is, after all, my favourite singer / songwriter!Mentalist said:
OH YESSS. That he is unique in. Thriller, Remember the Time, Beat It, Billie Jean are all great songs AND great artistically stylized videos!
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Have you ever snuck up behind a cat while it's eating, then picked it up and looked at its facial expression? It's very comical.
jack said:
Sigh... If you read what I said I was commenting on MTV, the fact that I said BASICALLY invented the music video as it is seen today was not a line of discussion meant to delve into the semantics of musci video history. But since we're there allready:
I don't know why everyone seems to think that I am claiming Thriller to be the first music vido, I am clearly not. I didn't ckaim that Michael Jackson was the first artist to make a music video either. Thats absurd. But as for how he TOTALLY changed the direction and line of thinking on music Videos/short films whatever he is to be credited with bringing the idea to the world stage. Before Thriller tere was no event attached to music videos. Thriller was an across the board buzz moment. IT helped propel the album Thriller into the best selling album and it made MTV a must watch station. Michael WAS the first black artist to get play time on MTV and they couldn't get enough of him he was on all the time.
Wrong. Michael first wore the fedora for the Billie Jean performance at the Motown 25. His transformation from child star to superstar was complete. Along with the glove and the sparkle jacket. It was actually a spy-hat that he wore and he did not borrow a "style" from Aistar until Smooth Criminal were he wore the white suit and spatz. I have his Auto Biography he talks in length about the proscess that led to his "look" along with the fedora. And no, before everyone jumps down my throat and tells me that Michael didn't invent the fedora, I know. :roll: All I am saying is that his inspiration to wear the fedora did not come from the Rat Pack. He would borrow themes later in his carrer but it did not originate there.
Quincy Jones dissagrees with you. And so do I. I am talking modern MTV generation here. Its all Michael, can you not see that?
Usher
Britney Spears
Justin Timberlake
Genuwine
Sisko
Mya
THe list goes on and on. They all wear the cute mini fedoras and use the same Thriller line dance concept. Thats something Quincy said, and he was right. All the modern pop kiddies lift his style, or attempt to. Why wouldn't they? - It seems to work.
So you think Michaels dance style is stupid then? - Thats quite a broad statment to make since he mixes so many styles together. So, you thought Astaire twirled about in a spastic manner too?
Tell me, what do you classify dance as? A little ballroom perhaps?
Now, enough, I am tired of this discussion.