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WordInterrupted said:
Getting an abortion has absolutely nothing to do with paying damages. What is the connection between the two?
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There are two parts to this answer:

First, because a child's decision not to get an abortion results in the parent having to support another child in whose conception the parent had no part at all.

Second, because it treats an abortion like any other medical procedure, and parental discretion is sought in all other medical procedures, to my knowledge at least.

If you wish to argue that an abortion is a legitimate medical procedure, then you must concede that it should be subject to the same parental consent rules as all other legitimate medical procedures.
 
Actually, TQ, when I was 14-15, my doctor had my parents sign a wavier so that I can be treated without their permission. He had me carry a copy of it in my wallet, so that if I got hurt or needed to see the doctor, then I could do so.

Don't know about the legalities of it all. But assuming that it was necessary, it shows that as of 12-15 years ago, you needed a parental approval to do anything, but it was rather easy to get around.
 
Well, I can see something like that happening, Rob -- but the fact that your doctor got your parents to sign off on it is what I'm talking about.
 
First, because a child's decision not to get an abortion results in the parent having to support another child in whose conception the parent had no part at all.
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You think parents should be able to force their child to have an abortion? What if the child doesn't want an abortion? Do they put them in a straight jacket and rip out the fetus anyway?

Second, because it treats an abortion like any other medical procedure, and parental discretion is sought in all other medical procedures, to my knowledge at least.
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Abortion isn't like any other medical procedure. Most medical procedures--with the notable exception of plastic surgery--are performed for the purpose of maintaining good health. There may be some debate as to the best way to maintain good health, but there isn't much debate over whether good health is the ultimate goal.

In the case of abortion, the ultimate goal is exactly what's under debate. Some people think the goal should be to not sin against god, other people think the goal should be to avoid a pregnancy that would prevent a young girl from getting an education, other people think that motherhood is a wonderful thing even for underage girls. Abortion is an ethical choice; it's a descision about what kind of values you have and what kind of life you want to lead. By preventing young women from making the descision on their own, you're preventing them from choosing what kind of people they want to be. That's not the case with most other medical descisions.
 
WordInterrupted said:
You think parents should be able to force their child to have an abortion? What if the child doesn't want an abortion? Do they put them in a straight jacket and rip out the fetus anyway?
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That's not what I said. I'm illustrating a point about parental notification.

Abortion isn't like any other medical procedure. Most medical procedures--with the notable exception of plastic surgery--are performed for the purpose of maintaining good health. There may be some debate as to the best way to maintain good health, but there isn't much debate over whether good health is the ultimate goal.

In the case of abortion, the ultimate goal is exactly what's under debate. Some people think the goal should be to not sin against god, other people think the goal should be to avoid a pregnancy that would prevent a young girl from getting an education, other people think that motherhood is a wonderful thing even for underage girls. Abortion is an ethical choice; it's a descision about what kind of values you have and what kind of life you want to lead. By preventing young women from making the descision on their own, you're preventing them from choosing what kind of people they want to be. That's not the case with most other medical descisions.
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Is abortion a risky medical procedure or not? I'm not asking what else it is, ethically, philosophically, what-have-you -- I'm asking: In your estimation, is abortion a medical procedure? And if it is, why should a minor dependent's parents be denied the right to notification and consent for this medical procedure, when they have such rights with other medical procedures?
 
You don't know anything about parental notification or abortion, so shut up. I take that back, you're such a fucking pussy it's probably possible you have a vagina buried just under the base of your balls, but your opinions are tainted with the sleaze of hatred either way, so fuck off.
 
Seig Heil, baby! I understand your Uncle Adolph used to have young Polish boys shit on his face while he masturbated.
 
That's not what I said. I'm illustrating a point about parental notification.
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Do you or do you not think that parents should be able to force their child to have an abortion her will?

Is abortion a risky medical procedure or not? I'm not asking what else it is, ethically, philosophically, what-have-you -- I'm asking: In your estimation, is abortion a medical procedure? And if it is, why should a minor dependent's parents be denied the right to notification and consent for this medical procedure, when they have such rights with other medical procedures?
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I already answered that question. Abortion isn't like other medical procedures because it's a choice about what kind of life a young woman is going to lead for the next 18 years. The young woman should make the choice about what kind life she wants, not her parents.
 
WordInterrupted said:
Do you or do you not think that parents should be able to force their child to have an abortion her will?
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No, I don't -- and neither do I think that a child should be able to force her parents to take on another dependent against their will.

I already answered that question. Abortion isn't like other medical procedures because it's a choice about what kind of life a young woman is going to lead for the next 18 years. The young woman should make the choice about what kind life she wants, not her parents.
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We're not talking about a young woman. We're talking about a child. A young woman is differentiated from a child in that a young woman is self-sufficient, neither requiring the financial support of her parents nor possessing the capacity to inflict legal consquences upon them through her actions.
 
Yes, that sound you heard was the palm of my hand making sharp proverbial contact with the back of WordInterrupted's pointy li'l head. :bigass:
 
No, I don't -- and neither do I think that a child should be able to force her parents to take on another dependent against their will.
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If you don't think parents should be able to force their child to have an abortion, how can they choose not to take on another dependent?

We're not talking about a young woman. We're talking about a child. A young woman is differentiated from a child in that a young woman is self-sufficient, neither requiring the financial support of her parents nor possessing the capacity to inflict legal consquences upon them through her actions.
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Why does the fact that parents have legal responsibilities towards their child give them the right to decide whether or not their child has an abortion?
 
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