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Objectification - A discussion

Well, with all of the professional exotic dancers present, this may get interesting.

A great many sources, religious, social, psychological, feel that the porn industry AND the exotic dance industry (often grouped together) objectify women. The effects are that the "objects" of the industry, the actresses and dancers, are so constantly bombarded with the idea that their worth is entirely tied up in their sexuality that the other aspects of their personality and self-worth are often damaged, some argue irreparably.

Now as a Dominant, when I train a submissive, there is a degree of objectification in some aspects of training. However, it is also my responsibility to make sure that the submissive is not damaged, and that her self esteem is enhanced, not torn down. Ideally, she becomes proud of her abilities and talents, her ability to serve both sexually and in non-sexual venues. I'm also keeping an independent eye out for her health in other areas (social and physical), a support structure and touchstone outside of her sexuality or role as a submissive.

So ladies, what safety mechanism do you usually see as available to an exotic dancer? How do you avoid objectification...or do you avoid it all? Is there a way of retaining sanity and self esteem by embracing the hyper-sexual aspects of your jobs?

Seeds for a serious discussion, I hope.

-SB
 
How do I stay sane? I leave my "stripper" persona and name at the door of the club, and it returns when I step back in. I don't think much of work or dancing and I'm just me outside of the club.
 
I'm a totally different person at work. At work I'm outgoing and flirty, at home I'm shy and reserved. I dunno.
 
Monolith said:
I'm a totally different person at work. At work I'm outgoing and flirty, at home I'm shy and reserved. I dunno.

Do you think that could get a little bi-polar? If so, do you think that's healthy? If not, would one "personality" care about being pinched on the butt by a stranger in a bar but the other "personality" would not? If that's true, do you think that's cool?
 
Monolith said:
My work persona has a bit of what personality traits I wish I had.

Would you mind naming some of those traits? You don't think that you already have those traits, can I consider that correct?
 
Editing because my point was already addressed...

It's somewhat like having duals, I suppose. Each dual doesn't represent the whole of you, but does express, I believe, some inate part of you.

I'm the same way here, on the boards. I've become far more flirty than I am comfortable with IRL.

Hmmm...
 
If any guy, work or not, pinches my ass, he gets slugged. It's happened before and I'll gladly do it again.
I'm sure it could be a little bipolar, but there are some sacrifices of being in a business like this. Nothing is free or easy money. Stripping can fuck with your head. And you're not look on kidnly by most of society. That's why a good deal of us are getting out as soon as we meet our financial goals re:college.
 
This might not be 100% relevant but I always see beautiful woman in tongue-in-cheek professions has having somehow wasted themselves. This isn't meant as a poke at strippers specifically since there are much more distasteful professions out there.

However, people will continue to do as they please and thanks to supply and demand (The 2nd in this instance being overblown and plastered everywhere I happen to look) so there isn't much point in scolding them and putting them down.
 
I know, I actually like this discussion.

I dunno, I guess my sexuality is more accepted in a club than outside of the club.

At work I'm more self assured, confident, and bold. And I like it. I feel lucky to have something like stripping to get me to achieve my dreams, which right now are halted by monetary reasons.
 
*ROTFLMAO @ meeting financial goals* That would mean they need to work for only six months. College is not THAT expensive. I could just see it now. 'You do not work part-time to pay for your college. How did you get the money to pay for it?' 'Oh, my mother and father are paying my way'. Rather than 'oh, I worked as a whorish stripper taking my clothing off for strange men without lives of any kind who have never touched a real female. Yes, I know. I am a loser but I say fuck my self-respect. It is not worth anything to me anyway so who cares?'
 
SaintLucifer said:
*ROTFLMAO @ meeting financial goals* That would mean they need to work for only six months. College is not THAT expensive. I could just see it now. 'You do not work part-time to pay for your college. How did you get the money to pay for it?' 'Oh, my mother and father are paying my way'. Rather than 'oh, I worked as a whorish stripper taking my clothing off for strange men without lives of any kind who have never touched a real female. Yes, I know. I am a loser but I say fuck my self-respect. It is not worth anything to me anyway so who cares?'
Shut up.
 
Actually Lucy, I have more than one college to attend to meet my goals, as well as money for the things that are part of such occupation. ;)
 
Monolith said:
Actually Lucy, I have more than one college to attend to meet my goals, as well as money for the things that are part of such occupation. ;)

Please see fit to never post in my direction unless you intend to remove your clothing also. That is about all you are good for. When men desire intellectual conversation, they never turn to whores such as yourself. You only appear in their mind's eye when they feel the rush of hormones and need to slow that rush down to a mere crawl. If men wish to talk 'dirty', they will address you but if they wish to discuss geopolitics and the like, they turn to a female who has self-confidence and self-respect. Why would a male display respect to a female who has none? Now run along and never darken my screen again.
 
Monolith said:
If any guy, work or not, pinches my ass, he gets slugged. It's happened before and I'll gladly do it again.
I'm sure it could be a little bipolar, but there are some sacrifices of being in a business like this. Nothing is free or easy money. Stripping can fuck with your head. And you're not look on kindly by most of society. That's why a good deal of us are getting out as soon as we meet our financial goals re:college.
I confess to initially meeting this invasion with a closed mind.

"Meh, strippers are brainless whores."

The more I read, tho, the more I realize that no, you're not.

It's not a road I would take. I would feel objectified, but that's unique to my psychological make-up. What strippers are able to do, I think, is separate the physical act of sex from emotion. At least at work.
 
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