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Star Trek 12 news/countdown thread

Yes that's another of the many, many things I was meaning to say: we didn't see any other Starfleet ships but the Enterprise, even after a prolonged space battle around Earth and two massive ships falling from the sky above Starfleet headquarters.

Maybe the fleet WAS detonated, offscreen.
 
Or since the main bad guy appeared to be the head of starfleet, he might have had all the other crews stand down.

But yeah, I imagine there will be a lot of deleted scenes on the bluray that will make the film make more sense.
 
The problem with the movie is that while all these theories make a lot of sense, none of them were thought of or utilised by the writers. I saw it again tonight and was able to sit back and observe a lot more, as I wasn't hanging on every bit of dialogue.

They're really explicit about Khan's blood being Kirk's ONLY chance. And there's absolutely no hint of an explanation for not using one of the other augments. They could've quite easily said that the bodies would take too long to defrost, as the cryotube wouldn't be able to sustain Kirk's brain signals for long (it was after all designed to sustain a living body, not a recently deceased one). But they didn't bother with anything like that. They just assumed we wouldn't notice.

Also, on a second viewing, I'm convinced Cumberbatch actually styled some of his performance on Ricardo Montalban's. There are a few places where I think this is evident, but in one part in particular where he's talking to Spock on the viewscreen (mirroring the "Genesis? What's that?" exchange) the similarity of his posture and facial expressions is so similar it must be deliberate. Which is admirable of him, I suppose, but just makes it all the more weird that nothing else about the character's personality or abilities is carried over.
 
Nah.

I mean, it makes sense to use the torpedoes as a secret way to dispose of the bodies for good, as presumably you can't just kill and cremate them in the normal way. And I suppose an argument against putting them back on the Botany Bay would be that, being in the intelligence field, the admiral would be too paranoid about the Federation's enemies finding the ship drifting in space. Having them destroyed in massive explosions was a clean, if ludicrously long winded method of getting rid of them without anyone knowing.

I think it would've been better if the torpedoes had been used as delivery craft to invade Quo'nos with augments, who would be forced to fight every Klingon they met whether they wanted to or not, purely because their mere presence would instigate a battle. And Khan's angry and wants the Enterprise's help to stop the Vengeance deploying them, while Kirk wants to prevent a war. Or something. SOMETHING.
 
Kirk was supposed to fire some of the torpedoes at Harrison from orbit, when he left on the mission Kirk was a hotshot baying for blood, which is exactly what Marcus wanted.

Kirk would have killed Khan and some of his men in the torpedoes on Kronos, the klingons would have retaliated at the enterprise (which he knew would be stranded in orbit) and they would have destroyed the rest of the missiles, along with all of Kirks crew, so noone would know Marcus had sent him there.

He would then use the vengeance to wipe out the klingon fleet making him the hero of starfleet.

Kirk fucked all that up when his crew convinced him not to attack Harrison, but to attempt to capture him instead.
 
Except Khan removed the fuel components from the torpedos to fit the cryotubes in, so even if Kirk had fired them they wouldn't have reached Kronos.
 
And yet the Enterprise did load them into the torpedo tubes at one point (Sulu's threat), with the bodies inside.

Oh, P.S, the torpedo design was goofy and amateurish looking IMO.
 
Well I guess if he done that he would have been seriously fucked if they had moved the whole ship a mile to the left.

At least he knew Kronos would be where he left it.
 
He's the REASON Cucumberbatch's Khan Harrison looks nothing like Mr. Roarke's Khan:
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That explains the change in look, NOT the voice!:shrug:
 
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