The new ExIsle

[DarthSikle]

Oh, goodie! I get to wonder.

Wonder about what?

Will the EI identity of Utahraptor be revealed?

Do you really care??

 

[Starship Coyote]

David Gates? Do you mean Bill Gates?

And yeah, what happened to Iliphi? When did he leave?

I think he had a big attack of real life. That, or he got tired of the SL shit.

Or both.

 

[Captain Jack]

I gather most of you have never actually read the book, then.

What do you expect from illiterate idiots?

 

[eloisel]

David Gates? Do you mean Bill Gates?

Ha, ha, ha ... yes. I did mean Bill Gates. I had David Gates on the brain as I am looking for some sheet music for a couple of songs he wrote. As usual, I can't find what I want so I'll have to take what I can get and arrange it for me. For some reason, the sheet music sellers don't have a great variety for violin soloists in contemporary music. Oh well ... gives me plenty to do on the rainy afternoons.

 

[eloisel]

Isn't wondering fun?

One of my favorite things to do early in the morning - especially sitting on the front porch, drinking a fresh cup of coffee, watching the neighbors go to work, thinking about what I'll have for breakfast before I start playing my day away.

 

[eloisel]

Do you really care??

Yes. And, no.

It is kind of like putting on my glasses. I've been automatically mentally filling in the blanks to make sharper images of the world in front of me for a very long time - since I lost most of the vision in my left eye from an injury in 1987. When I put on my glasses I see things for how they really are and they are never quite as nice as I had thought. I have a feeling Utahraptor would be very much like that and considering I don't have a very favorable opinion of it now, it could only get worse.

 

[Enkephalen]

eloisel, I know what you mean about viewing the world without your glasses on. It's all soft around the edges and everyone is great looking. Then, you put on the glasses and. . .yikes! Back in the day, when I was young and foolish, I would go out with my friends to clubs and starting leaving my glasses off. I had a wonderful time, but it was always a shocker to put them back on.

 

[Enkephalen]

I gather most of you have never actually read the book, then.

Here's a link so you can refresh you memory of what the story was really about. Afterwards, perhaps you might be able to glean from the text why a reference is being made to the mob demand for permabans on EI.

http://www.gerenser.com/lotf

 

[Utahraptor]

Thank you, but I've read it. The connection to mob rule is quite tenuous, existing only in the surface similarities between the "mob mentality" and the descent into savagery that characterizes one of the two groups of children on the island. But there was no "mob rule" in Lord of the Flies. Rather, the group of savages was led by a single charismatic individual who tossed away his scruples for "fun."

Lord of the Flies depicts what happens when one has no societal pressure to behave in a civilized manner. In that sense, Troll Kingdom is much closer to a Lord of the Flies situation than EI.

Welcome to the Heart of Darkness. Enjoy the horror, the horror.

 

[Starship Coyote]

Here's a link so you can refresh you memory of what the story was really about. Afterwards, perhaps you might be able to glean from the text why a reference is being made to the mob demand for permabans on EI.

http://www.gerenser.com/lotf

So, who's going to tell GiGi that it's her pig's head on that stick?

 

[eloisel]

Thank you, but I've read it. The connection to mob rule is quite tenuous, existing only in the surface similarities between the "mob mentality" and the descent into savagery that characterizes one of the two groups of children on the island. But there was no "mob rule" in Lord of the Flies. Rather, the group of savages was led by a single charismatic individual who tossed away his scruples for "fun."

Lord of the Flies depicts what happens when one has no societal pressure to behave in a civilized manner. In that sense, Troll Kingdom is much closer to a Lord of the Flies situation than EI.

Welcome to the Heart of Darkness. Enjoy the horror, the horror.

I disagree with you. The situation in the Lord of the Flies showed how thin the veneer of being civilized is. Perhaps there was a single charismatic individual who tossed away his scruples for "fun" but what were the motives of the rest of his group?

What LOTF depicts very well is how people in crisis devolve into thinking they have only two paths to follow - descent into madness or lofty self-righteousness - same coin, different sides. It shows stereotypes at both ends of the spectrum - the kids who suck up to the bully in hopes they won't be bullied, the kids who like pulling a power trip on other people but need someone to look up to and approve of their behavior, the kids who need a leader and any old leader will do, the kids that need to belong to a group and any group will do. But, as there are always other choices to make, some people lack the experience and/or maturity to know they have other choices. That is where the similarity to EI comes in. The stereotypes are all there. The separation into the groups lusting for vengeance and the self-righteous are there with those polarities eclipsing and absorbing those looking for the middle ground or a different coin all together, the alternative to bloodletting or holding court to pronounce judgment on the wicked.

 

[Enkephalen]

Very well said eloisel!

 

[NeonMercuryASH]

The thing is, ExIsle suits all of them except when they want to troll. Each of them can be highly articulate and wonderful debaters and interesting posters on many topics. It just seems the trolling does something for them.

But they ( EI) seem to mistake satire for trolling.

 

[eloisel]

Very well said eloisel!

Thank you. It's been 30+ years since I've read it but I recall the gist of the thing.

 

[eloisel]

But they ( EI) seem to mistake satire for trolling.

Well, there is satire and then there is
BEING NASTY MAD IN BIG BOLD RED CAPITAL LETTERS.

Satire would have been JR putting TS's notice of suspension in brackets followed by some graphic punctuation.

{{You're suspended for the rest of the year. Merry F'ing Christmas.}}--!-.

 

[Starship Coyote]

Well, there is satire and then there is
BEING NASTY MAD IN BIG BOLD RED CAPITAL LETTERS.

Satire would have been JR putting TS's notice of suspension in brackets followed by some graphic punctuation.

{{You're suspended for the rest of the year. Merry F'ing Christmas.}}--!-.

:lol:

It fufilled its purpose.

 

[eloisel]

Admit it, though, you'd have liked it much better if she could have come out swinging right back at you - call you names, speculate about the size of your penis, threaten to smite you, and such. You like a good fight every now and then too.

 

[Shal]

*shrug* Big whoop - If thats how you get your jollies, deliberately getting yourself suspended, then keep it up.

 

[Utahraptor]

What LOTF depicts very well is how people in crisis devolve into thinking they have only two paths to follow - descent into madness or lofty self-righteousness - same coin, different sides.

I think you're trying too hard to apply it to EI. Though the "civilized" group seemed keenly aware that they needed a plan if they were to survive until rescue, the "savage" group decided that being marooned on an island meant that it was time for fun and games. It wasn't a choice between madness and self-righteousness, it was a choice between society and anarchy.

 

[Starship Coyote]

Admit it, though, you'd have liked it much better if she could have come out swinging right back at you - call you names, speculate about the size of your penis, threaten to smite you, and such. You like a good fight every now and then too.

It might have been amusing, but realistically she couldn't do that.

Remember Skin's Maxim: Real trolling is manipulating circumstances on a board so that people want to kill you while you piss yourself laughing.