wtf exisle?

[DarthSikle]

yeah! Fuck EI!!!

 

[eloisel]

My favorite Pakistani (Hassan) is back at the Pak convenience store in my neighborhood. The posters that have known me long time may remember when I use to gush over Hassan - back when I was going through menopause and he was flirting something terrible with me. Anyway, he is back at least until his parents send him off to some other country to work in their business there. He speaks five languages fluently. It is hard to believe he has been gone about four years. He is still cute as a button and sweeter than pie. If he were a little older, or I a little younger, I'd be all over him.

So, you can continue this discussion without me.

Just an FYI - I generally trade with the Pak store because even though they are Pakistani, they speak English fluently and have a drive through. Plus the owner, Hadji, and I have been friends for about 20 years. Yes - I know they have very stereotypical names but they have been using them as long as I've known them. I only go to 7-11 when I need to use the ATM machine inside the store because it is the only one for my bank in the neighborhood. I don't give a shit what language they speak as long as I get done what I need to get done. It is just so easy to yank troll chains I can't resist.

 

[Archibald Nixon]

Shame on you. You should know better than this. You're leaping to bizarre conclusions about my opinions on immigration without me even giving them. Perhaps it's an attempt to put me on the defensive with absurd accusations so you won't have to discuss facts. Whatever the reason, let's go over what I've said and see how you arrived at your conclusion. Class is now in session, please sit down, Mr Nixon.



This is me explaining the difference between a race and a nationality.



This is me making an observation (without any sort of judgment in the matter whatsoever) about ownership of a certain chain of convenience store.



This is my twofold attempt to have apples compared with apples, and secondly questioning the relevance of activities 150+ years ago with the situation today.



This is me debunking the absurd idea of communal guilt.

Now, which of these statements bears even a passing resemblance to the strawman you so hastily constructed when your attempt at white guilt failed?

This is you,

a) being so amazingly dull-witted that you can't tell the difference between an earnest effort to engage you on all of the above silliness, and a satirical piss-taking

b) not grasping that even if you could qualify it as a straw man argument (see A), it was all your empty soapboxing would've merited

c) not knowing the difference between "debunk" and "disagree"

d) defensively cherrypicking and quoting your own truculent posts in response to my "attempt to put you on the defensive" ound:

e) overreacting

f) being owned:

uppet:

 

[Dirk Funk]

This is you,

a) being so amazingly dull-witted that you can't tell the difference between an earnest effort to engage you on all of the above silliness, and a satirical piss-taking

b) not grasping that even if you could qualify it as a straw man argument (see A), it was all your empty soapboxing would've merited

c) not knowing the difference between "debunk" and "disagree"

d) defensively cherrypicking and quoting your own truculent posts in response to my "attempt to put you on the defensive" ound:

e) overreacting

f) being owned:

uppet:

Pulling a Pickle now are we? Concession accepted.

 

[FBI parte due]

I know the animated smiley at the end was a kind of distracting, so I won't fault you for not reading the rest of his post.

He did make a pretty good point about your arguments being moronic and unfounded, though.

 

[Dirk Funk]

I know the animated smiley at the end was a kind of distracting, so I won't fault you for not reading the rest of his post.

He did make a pretty good point about your arguments being moronic and unfounded, though.

Oh? How so? Explain to me which of my arguments are "moronic" and "unfounded"?

 

[Dual]

Also, Dirk. Mexicans are a race in and of themselves. They look different than their Spanish ancestors. Their culture, language, monetary system, and genetics are different. They speak a pygmy Spanish that is barely comprehensible to natural Spanish speakers. They are, for all intents and purposes, a different people entirely.

Each region of the planet produces unique human beings.

What Dirk meant is that Mexico, like the US, is a multiracial society. Most Mexicans are descended primarily from Meso-Amerind peoples, with a small bit of Spanish and African thrown in. These three basic races (Indio, Blanco, Negro, respectively) mixed to form the castas (Mestizos, half native and half white being the most prominent). Mexican, like American, is just a nationality; race exists as an independent variable.

 

[FBI parte due]

Oh? How so? Explain to me which of my arguments are "moronic" and "unfounded"?

Archibald already covered that angle, sorry.

 

[Dirk Funk]

Archibald already covered that angle, sorry.

I'm afraid not. Do you buy into the absurdity of communal guilt? If so, tell me where I'm wrong. Tell me why you should be made to feel responsible for the actions of people who lived decades or centuries before you were born.

 

[Dirk Funk]

What Dirk meant is that Mexico, like the US, is a multiracial society. Most Mexicans are descended primarily from Meso-Amerind peoples, with a small bit of Spanish and African thrown in. These three basic races (Indio, Blanco, Negro, respectively) mixed to form the castas (Mestizos, half native and half white being the most prominent). Mexican, like American, is just a nationality; race exists as an independent variable.

Precisely.

 

[Robert "Monkey" Loggia]

We should indeed feel guilty for the actions of our ancestors if we continue to visit injustices upon the victims and do nothing to rectify those oppressions.

 

[Bickendan]

I am against having to choose between any other language and English in order to transact business in America.

I do not care how many languages a person speaks. My concern is that English speakers in this country are being forced to speak Mexican in order to do business and hold jobs. All other immigrants and conquered peoples in this country have had to adopt English, which is the common language of the land.

Only recently have the Cherokee required their young to learn the tribal language in school. My first husband is Cherokee and his family speaks English. Don't know about the Sioux.

Consider this then: If the native languages had been established enough that in their regions they were the official language; if French were the dominant language along the Mississippi, would this change your view at all? If the US were more like Europe in terms of languages, where you had to know Cherokee in the Southeast, French in Louisiana, Navajo and Apache in the Southwest, etc, and English was the language of convenience and politics, would being forced to know Spanish be as problematic?

Obviously, this isn't the case: We've railroaded English through the country, both figuratively and literally, that English has been the defacto tongue until recently, where Spanish is creeping in at a surprising rate. I don't necessarily think it's fair (and that's not a good word for it) that we need to learn Spanish (or any other immigrant tongue) to communicate and do business with immigrants, but it is useful and does has immense benefits. That said, because English is the unwritten defacto language of the US, those moving in should learn it (it's ironic that Mexicans in the Yucatan reportedly know English better than the ones jumping the border -- Or So I Heard, I should note). Until the government steps in and begins a mandate to make the US a bilingual country, I don't think that schools and businesses should make us learn another one. Offer incentives, sure, but mandate, no.

 

[aeommai]

What do you call the Mexicans that come to this country and refuse to learn to speak English? Do you call them bigoted racists too? Oh no - that would make you a bigoted racist.

And, Obama is a half black person. Are you bigoted against half black people? Should he be ashamed that he is half black?

this is by far one of the stupidest things you've ever said, and that's saying a lot.

i;m not going to go yeah you're a bigot or stupid in general or racist or anything like that but you should really read over this statement. people are let in without needing to learn the language that doesn't make them racist or bigoted.

now if after you left they said something about how white women are horrible customers and bitches and stuff then you might've had something

 

[eloisel]

this is by far one of the stupidest things you've ever said, and that's saying a lot.

i;m not going to go yeah you're a bigot or stupid in general or racist or anything like that but you should really read over this statement. people are let in without needing to learn the language that doesn't make them racist or bigoted.

now if after you left they said something about how white women are horrible customers and bitches and stuff then you might've had something

Okay. Should have clarified Mexicans that move here - not just come here.

 

[Dirk Funk]

So, let's recap here. You pulled the white guilt card. Something which goes against all reason and logic. I called you on it. You responded with a ridiculous diatribe. I called you on that and took your arguments apart piece by piece. Then you responded with the equivalent of "Ha ha, I trolled you". Then resorted to negging rather than bolstering your argument. So, I'll give you another chance. Care to defend why you think the idea of communal guilt is logical and relevant?

 

[Archibald Nixon]

Care to defend why you think the idea of communal guilt is logical and relevant?

Point out precisely where this was asserted. And go over the wording very carefully, Dirk, because as much as you'd like to have it otherwise, I'm just not going to do your thinking for you.

 

[Dirk Funk]

We should indeed feel guilty for the actions of our ancestors if we continue to visit injustices upon the victims and do nothing to rectify those oppressions.

I disagree. We should feel sadness that they did bad things, but we have no reason to feel guilt. We should feel guilty if we by commission or omission help to perpetrate injustice. However this is due to direct action or inaction involving us, not events which happened centuries before we were born.

 

[Dual]

opcorn:

 

[Archibald Nixon]

Nothing yet? You had time for Robert. Are you using an electron microscope?

I'll check in before work tomorrow.

 

[Dirk Funk]

Nothing yet? You had time for Robert. Are you using an electron microscope?

I'll check in before work tomorrow.

I saw yours after I responded to Robert. Interesting, the line that I was responding to is gone. So either I'm going senile at 33 or someone is edit happy.