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Strange New Worlds season 2

nuBSG is still one of my all-time favorites alongside Breaking Bad.

Cassie said:
It is great to finally have a ST that is consistently good! I feel like the other new Trek series completely forgot how to have a little fun. I used to wish they'd make a ST that was more like BSG, but now I see that was a mistake. What I really wanted was a ST that had adventure, fun, some serious stuff, decent acting, and episodes that can stand alone.
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Yeah, I was always "but look at <insert serious, gritty character-driven show>". I still think that style of Trek could excel - in the right hands. But those more serious attempts - at least for my money - have all fallen flat on their face.

It was dropping that expectation and tabling my dislike of other NuTrek entries that opened SNW up to me.
 
Volpone said:
Here's the thing that nuTrek has gotten absolutely wrong most of the modern era: Utopia. Perfect characters. Boring. "Seinfeld" kind of joked about it, but horrible, horrible characters are far more entertaining. Soap operas know this. "How I Met Your Mother" knew this. What is the challenge of a perfect character with a perfect life? What is his struggle? The interesting thing is seeing flawed people try to get to a good place.

The other thing is just no real character development. Characters behave a certain way in an episode because that's what the episode requires. Next week they may behave in an entirely different way. Admitted, I haven't watched more than the pilot and some snippets of this show, but I get the impression that they make the characters behave consistently from episode to episode. Just doing that puts it light years above anything 'Trek has done in a very long time.
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Definitely give it a whirl, unlike most of the others it's actually worth the time.
 
wow Clint Howard!!! Guess I'm going to be watching this series going forward.

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NuTrek can reach that level. There's no reason it doesn't... except that it refuses to. It isn't mature enough to. It's too busy being "fun" and "young" and "in the nowww."

And if you pretend that you're cool with that, you're only getting what you fucking deserve. You're getting what you fucking settle for. But DO NOT act like those of us who refuse to settle are somehow villains for having standards.
 
The Question said:


NuTrek can reach that level. There's no reason it doesn't... except that it refuses to. It isn't mature enough to. It's too busy being "fun" and "young" and "in the nowww."

And if you pretend that you're cool with that, you're only getting what you fucking deserve. You're getting what you fucking settle for. But DO NOT act like those of us who refuse to settle are somehow villains for having standards.
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I think you're just a bit jaded. SNW is at least as good as DS9 when both are hitting on all cylinders. That being said, of course. In The Pale Moonlight is probably one of my favorite Trek episodes anywhere across the board.
 
She is such a vital character in this I kind of don't want TOS to happen now.

I mean they could do that now right, just remake it slightly different?

There have been enough changes to the timeline by now that we shouldn't really expect it to go as we used to see it
 
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
I think you're just a bit jaded. SNW is at least as good as DS9 when both are hitting on all cylinders. That being said, of course. In The Pale Moonlight is probably one of my favorite Trek episodes anywhere across the board.
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As I said:
NuTrek can reach that level. There's no reason it doesn't... except that it refuses to.
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They simply refuse to show us competent, professional adults. Because they don't see the "fun" in that. But Star Trek was not, originally, about... "fun." It was aspirational. It was about showing us that We Can Be Better Than We Are.

SNW is all about showing us "as we are" not as what we can be. That's why we end up with a scrawny little Mexican boy who sass talks superior officers and shortens words like a Millennial ("No presh!") and the balance of the rest acting like they're working back-of-house at a grill/pub.

But, hey, that's... "cool."

But it isn't aspirational. It isn't a vision of how humanity can be better than it is. That's what's missing from KurtzmanTrek. That's why F-bombs (fully delivered and implied) grate on people. We're supposed to be better than that, in the Star Trek universe. The M'Benga murdering a Klingon thing? Doesn't even land. Because in KurtzmanTrek, they're not better than that. In authentic Star Trek, that would have been shocking. In KurtzmanTrek... meh. KurtzmanTrek proposes a universe where every Starfleet officer is just a mentally unhinged fuckin' child who does whatever the fuck he or she wants, so why is murdering an Ambassador any different.
 
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Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
SNW is at least as good as DS9 when both are hitting on all cylinders.
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No, it isn't. And you know it isn't. It's peopled by childish characters who have zero air of professionalism. And you know that. You accept that -- you settle for that -- because that's what we're being given. But you know you're 'settling' for that. You know that what you're being given is subpar. Why won't you say it? Why won't you stand up for yourself and acknowledge that we're being given garbage? Why won't you stand up for yourself?
 
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