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This is why I am on the fence about the death penalty

WordInterrupted said:
As usual, you have no evidence. You just choose to believe whatever feels best to you.
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I am not a touchy, feely, liberal so that's simply impossible.

For the sake of your pride do not try and take me on when it comes to the legal system in California, you might just find we're on the same side. I know a whole lot of things about this system that you don't even want to know and straight from a D.A.'s mouth, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and when you're not squeaking they assume there's a reason. So you can kindly take your "no evidence" and shove it square up your ass, your head will be happy for the company.
 
And are these cases leading to capital punishment? If anything, this only demonstrates a flawed approach to evaluating the evidence in rape cases, which usually translates to "guilty upon accusation until proven innocent."
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Evidence used in rape cases is not substantially different from evidence used in most other types of violent crime cases. There's no reason to expect that other types of cases result in more accurate outcomes.

How many people are murdered each year, and can you demonstrate a reason for that that's more direct and compelling than it being on account of the deterrent of the consequences of murder being insufficiently impressed upon potential murderers?
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The death penalty has no deterrent effect. States with the death penalty actually have higher crime rates than states without it.

I am not a touchy, feely, liberal so that's simply impossible.

For the sake of your pride do not try and take me on when it comes to the legal system in California, you might just find we're on the same side. I know a whole lot of things about this system that you don't even want to know and straight from a D.A.'s mouth, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and when you're not squeaking they assume there's a reason. So you can kindly take your "no evidence" and shove it square up your ass, your head will be happy for the company.
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You don't care about evaluating policy questions objectively. You jump to conslusions that fit with your prejudices and make you feel good. It's like you were born in the Dark Ages.
 
Chadarnook said:
I'm with Wordin on this one.

One innocent person is one too many.
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What's funny is that one is "innocent until proven guilty" which implies that our court system would rather let a guilty man walk free than put an innocent man in jail.

This changes, of course, once one is proven guilty it does a 180° turnabout. Best to put an innocent man to death than allow a convicted child rapist to live.
 
Wordin, you may know more about this than me.

What are the costs of keeping a man on death row compared to keeping a man in prison for life?

If a person may be exonerated in the future, just let him stew in jail until he is. Nothing about letting them go, just not killing them.
 
WordInterrupted said:
Evidence used in rape cases is not substantially different from evidence used in most other types of violent crime cases. There's no reason to expect that other types of cases result in more accurate outcomes.
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Evidentiary weight and presentation of that evidence to the jury are seperate things. Of course, you couldn't be bothered to notice that, I'm sure.

The death penalty has no deterrent effect. States with the death penalty actually have higher crime rates than states without it.
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Sources?

You don't care about evaluating policy questions objectively. You jump to conslusions that fit with your prejudices and make you feel good. It's like you were born in the Dark Ages.
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Evidence? Relevance? Definition of "conslusions"?
 
Evidentiary weight and presentation of that evidence to the jury are seperate things. Of course, you couldn't be bothered to notice that, I'm sure.
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Different crimes may be presented in different ways, but I don't think there's any evidence suggesting that innocent people are convicted of rape more often than they are convicted of other crimes.

Sources?
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Isn't is funny how you're always the one bragging about how he has scientific evidence, and I'm always the one who actually has scientific evidence? Hehehehe...
 
What are the costs of keeping a man on death row compared to keeping a man in prison for life?
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From a study of the death penalty done by the State of Kansas:

The estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000)
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Source
 
WordInterrupted said:
Isn't is funny how you're always the one bragging about how he has scientific evidence, and I'm always the one who actually has scientific evidence? Hehehehe...
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Isn't it funny how that hasn't been the case in this thread? In this thread, I asked you to provide your sources, and -- miraculously -- you did. Good job. But don't get a stuffed head over this exception to your rule of empty claims. Only time will tell whether you've actually learned to cite your sources as a matter of habit, or whether you're only doing it now because I've raked you over the coals for not doing it over the past year and a half.
 
WordInterrupted said:
You don't care about evaluating policy questions objectively. You jump to conslusions that fit with your prejudices and make you feel good. It's like you were born in the Dark Ages.
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Sadly what you never consider is that this is a website and you truthfully know nothing about me. I'll tell you something if you'd like to PM me your E-mail address. And don't worry, even if I had the capabilites I sure as hell don't have the time to do anything stupid with it.
 
But don't get a stuffed head over this exception to your rule of empty claims.
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This isn't an exception to the rule; I always cite sources in policy discussions: example, example, example, example. I probably cite evidence more than any other person on this board. You, on the other hand, constantly bluster about it but never provide any. I don't think you're sufficiently educated to even understand what the scientific method is.
 
WordInterrupted said:
This isn't an exception to the rule; I always cite sources in policy discussions: example, example, example, example. I probably cite evidence more than any other person on this board. You, on the other hand, constantly bluster about it but never provide any. I don't think you're sufficiently educated to even understand what the scientific method is.
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And didn't I just tell you not to get a stuffed head?
 
First two "examples" are all right, third cites only one source for one claim among a cluster of them, fourth seems okay. So you've got five examples, all told, where you actually backed up your claims with something. Now, let's get a ratio of sourced to unsourced claims for you, shall we? As I said, it is your exception, not your rule.
 
First two "examples" are all right, third cites only one source for one claim among a cluster of them, fourth seems okay. So you've got five examples, all told, where you actually backed up your claims with something. Now, let's get a ratio of sourced to unsourced claims for you, shall we? As I said, it is your exception, not your rule.
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Hehehehe... you wish it were the exception. If it were, you might have a prayer of winning an argument against me.
 
...hehehehe, just like you "stomped" me in this thread? It's an interesting phenomenon that the less intelligent someone is, the less able they are to judge their own intelligence accurately. It's known as "false confidence." As a result, the stupidest, most mentally incoherent people often think they've won every argument.
 
You two remind me of cranky little old men in a nursing home whose only remaining pleasure in life is insulting each other. It's kind of cute.
 
WordInterrupted said:
...hehehehe, just like you "stomped" me in this thread? It's an interesting phenomenon that the less intelligent someone is, the less able they are to judge their own intelligence accurately. It's known as "false confidence." As a result, the stupidest, most mentally incoherent people often think they've won every argument.
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I never claimed to have stomped you in this particular thread. But when it comes to your foolishness, I've made you expose yourself more than a drunk college chick at Mardis Gras. Want some more beads, Bambi?
 
My dear, if you had the capacity to best me in debate, we would still be debating the death penalty. You stopped debating and started these lame attacks because you aren't capable of standing up to me. As usual, you talk about winning arguments instead of actually winning them.

You two remind me of cranky little old men in a nursing home whose only remaining pleasure in life is insulting each other. It's kind of cute.
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I have to stand up to TQ because people like you are incapable of it. You should be thanking me for keeping the gang of neonazis on this board in their place.
 
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