Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford Gunned down at Grocery Store

[Ilyanna]

Judgmental much?

Actually, you were the poster I had in mind. Curious if you were consistent in your opinions. See: http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=130667&highlight=death+penalty

I see you are consistent in being ready to jump my throat to protect your opinions, not so much others.

You didn't state an opinion above-thread. What I saw was you using the killing of a nine years-old child to have a dig at those ppl (me, as it turns out) who have an opinion opposing (at least from what I read from you so far) yours. If that isn't aggressive, I don't know what is.
As for the 'passive' part of my judgment: You could have just called me out, you know? Like, for example, "Hey, Ily, in the light of this, still think the emotions of the victims shouldn't count?" Or, maybe even more reasonable, just bump the old threat by replying to my lengthy post or inviting me to renew the discussion. Instead, you choose to post a contorted version of what TCON and I told you back then, one that has to be read pretty carefully to detect the landmine in, and throw it out there without so much as a hint who you really directed it at.

Now, as for protecting opinions. What are you talking about?
First of all, why would I need to protect anybody's opinions but mine? Are there ppl at TK who can't speak for themselves? Who would they be?
In fact, I don't even know what 'protecting my opinions' is even supposed to mean. I have an opinion. I will express it. You have an opinion, you express it. We will either discuss those opinions, or we don't. I will not suppress your right to your own opinion, nor, to the best of my knowledge, have I ever done so. Did you see me "jump Sarek's throat" for expressing his? So, basically, and once again - huh? WTF are you talking about?

El, seriously. I like you, but I have seen you play this game with quite a number of ppl here. If you want to have a discussion with me, cut the crap and say so. As long as you revert to little snide remarks and digs to provoke a reaction and land me one, please just fuck off.

 

[eloisel]

You didn't state an opinion above-thread. What I saw was you using the killing of a nine years-old child to have a dig at those ppl (me, as it turns out) who have an opinion opposing (at least from what I read from you so far) yours. If that isn't aggressive, I don't know what is.
As for the 'passive' part of my judgment: You could have just called me out, you know? Like, for example, "Hey, Ily, in the light of this, still think the emotions of the victims shouldn't count?" Or, maybe even more reasonable, just bump the old threat by replying to my lengthy post or inviting me to renew the discussion. Instead, you choose to post a contorted version of what TCON and I told you back then, one that has to be read pretty carefully to detect the landmine in, and throw it out there without so much as a hint who you really directed it at.

Now, as for protecting opinions. What are you talking about?
First of all, why would I need to protect anybody's opinions but mine? Are there ppl at TK who can't speak for themselves? Who would they be?
In fact, I don't even know what 'protecting my opinions' is even supposed to mean. I have an opinion. I will express it. You have an opinion, you express it. We will either discuss those opinions, or we don't. I will not suppress your right to your own opinion, nor, to the best of my knowledge, have I ever done so. Did you see me "jump Sarek's throat" for expressing his? So, basically, and once again - huh? WTF are you talking about?

El, seriously. I like you, but I have seen you play this game with quite a number of ppl here. If you want to have a discussion with me, cut the crap and say so. As long as you revert to little snide remarks and digs to provoke a reaction and land me one, please just fuck off.

Interesting that you find a summation of your opinions as snide remarks and digs. You may fuck off. It will still be glaringly obvious when you are a hypocrite.

 

[Ilyanna]

If you really thing that you have truthfully summarized my opinions, then I suggest you start reading my opinion within the context of linked thread again. If you then can still not see the differences in those two statements, AND you are interested in a proper conversation, tell me and I will gladly try to explain myself again.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

It will still be glaringly obvious when you are a hypocrite.

LOL, I don't give a damn if I come across as a hypocrite to you.

 

[eloisel]

If you really thing that you have truthfully summarized my opinions, then I suggest you start reading my opinion within the context of linked thread again. If you then can still not see the differences in those two statements, AND you are interested in a proper conversation, tell me and I will gladly try to explain myself again.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

LOL, I don't give a damn if I come across as a hypocrite to you.

It is hard to have a conversation with you when you make it clear - by writing so - that you are so angry you can hardly contain yourself. And, you don't come across as a hypocrite, you are one. So, fuck off to you again.

 

[Ilyanna]

It is hard to have a conversation with you when you make it clear - by writing so - that you are so angry you can hardly contain yourself.

Huh, when did I write that? You mean this one, from 9/13/2010:

Seriously, and I wish you could witness my blood pressure rising just by merely writing it down:

?
Now I am to believe you're intimidated by little old me expressing some anger? (Followed, btw, by

if I misunderstood any of your statements, please correct me, since more often than not, discussions like these get overly heated because of people not entirely grasping what the other has meant.

. Yeah, you're right. I was barely containing myself. :S:

And, you don't come across as a hypocrite, you are one.

Now what, you gonna tell my mum or something? Here, if it pleases you:
Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite,Ily is a hypocrite,Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite.

Happy, or should we make it QOTW?

So, fuck off to you again.

I said it fi-hirst, so I wi-hin, neener, neener, neeeener!!

 

[Blindgroping]

Revenge, personally or state sponsored, leave both people diminished.

This country is already to full of small people.

An Eye for An Eye leaves everyone blind.

 

[SuN]

The cannibalism has begun....

"The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," bemoaned Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, referring to an increasingly vitriolic political debate that has emerged as America searches for remedies to the bleakest economic times since the Great Depression.

 

[Homo Erectus]

Huh, when did I write that? You mean this one, from 9/13/2010:
?
Now I am to believe you're intimidated by little old me expressing some anger? (Followed, btw, by . Yeah, you're right. I was barely containing myself. :S:

Now what, you gonna tell my mum or something? Here, if it pleases you:
Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite,Ily is a hypocrite,Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite, Ily is a hypocrite.

Happy, or should we make it QOTW?

I said it fi-hirst, so I wi-hin, neener, neener, neeeener!!

THis WAS a thread about a tragedy. Now it's a thread about two women hounding each other.hpeh:

 

[Ilyanna]

What can I say? Welcome to Troll Kingdom. Derailing threads since 1885.
But if starguard wishes, I am certain my offending posts can be split off into another thread quite easily.

 

[SuN]

Yes, going around and shooting people is definitely a viable solution to ones problems. The shooter was definitey justified. How could people be so stupid as to make decisions that caused others to hate them? And then they go out in public and get shot and put others in harms way at the same time! Stupid stupid stupid.

Its not justified, but given the right environment & right catalyst some unpredictable people will respond in predictable ways.

Critical mass.
If none wants to intervene then situations will run their course.

Its kinda like ignoring the body language of an aggressive dog & minimising its clear & readable body language.
Too bad if u get bitten, maybe u'll learn something.

Its sad pple have died and all, but rly there is a bigger picture & if denial rules the day, then u get what u sow.

All knows america is fucked like this. I'm genuinely suprised there isnt more.

 

[Cassie]

There was nothing wrong with Giffords having a little town hall type thing at a grocery store. I'm not really sure I understand what you're getting at, SuN.

ALSO, I have no idea why eloisel and Ilyanna are mad at each other. I couldn't even figure it out from reading the other thread. Lots of people disagree about the death penalty. I think you two should WRESTLE.

 

[Blindgroping]

A ThiunderDome match.

 

[Ilyanna]

Lol, as in Jell-o Wrestling? Fine with me

As in why we're mad at each other:

Spoiler

I gave my opinion about the death penalty in the other thread. I gave my opinion about how I think a murder trial should be held in this thread. I took exception to the way Eloisel misquoted me and didn't address me directly in the first place. Eloisel proved me to be a hypocrite, apparently. Oh, yeah, and we said 'fuck' a lot. That's about all, I think.

 

[SuN]

What I am getting @ is the blatant display of detached arrogance in a 'grass-roots' environment & the perception that this is an 'unusual' greeting from teh 'subjects'.
People are responding normally to an abnormal society which is getting raped by cunts liek the bitch that got shot.

Look, good for her that she trusts a public that contains scores of mentaly ill, disillusioned, fear monger'd, oppressed, paranoid & angry public, which is under a lot of financial/quality of life pressure atm; I sure as hell don't & I certainly wouldn't be taking a stroll to the local supermarket to peddle my snake oil.

When the pressure is put on, the cracks in society will become deeper.
Western governments, particularly the US have been heavy handed & exploitive with their populations for sometime, its a testament to human endurance & adaptation that situations like these are not more common.

Its not kids in schools any more, its adults @ supermarkets.

 

[Cassie]

SuN, you're not really making a lot of sense. I don't know what you mean by grassroots environment or what Giffords supposedly raped. There have always been crazies, and apparently the shooter has serious mental problems which don't really have anything to do with politics.

 

[Sarek]

SuN, you're not really making a lot of sense. I don't know what you mean by grassroots environment or what Giffords supposedly raped. There have always been crazies, and apparently the shooter has serious mental problems which don't really have anything to do with politics.

I'm getting the felling that SUN is spending a lot of time polishing his manifesto....

 

[SuN]

Politicians are not gods.
Politicians are elected to represent their people.
Politicians are accountable to their people & their position.
Their people are diverse. Some are crazy.
Crazy pple are on the increase.

She should have known about this dude & his lieks in her electorate.
No ones asking why she didn't.
Her governing electorate is responsible for the management of the crazies & violent; uno, for public safety & all that.
So why the surprise when it turns up in her face?

Ignoring, exploiting & profiteering from the needs & basic requirements of the people u represent has a best b4 date.
I'm not saying what the guy did was right or acceptable, im saying I can see how it happened & why it can happen again.

 

[Sarek]

Crazy pple are on the increase.

Straight from the (crazy) horses mouth.....

 

[Homo Erectus]

 

[Mirah]

Ok, so she should have been managing the mentally ill better. If it didn't happen to her, it would have happened to someone else.

Why do I feel like I am in therapy where I say, "I hear you saying....."

She should have been managing the violent, she should know who they are, where they live, what kind of people are in her district.

I feel like these are blanket statements. I want to see if they are based on any facts of things she stood for and what she did. I have not researched enough about this person to know that. Has SuN?