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Star Wars: The Last Jedi

I saw this film last night and I'm still not ready to actually put a lot of thoughts down about it but overall I liked it but BOY SOME PEOPLE WILL FUCKING HATE THIS FILM.

One thing I will say: The problem with The Force Awakens was that you could pretty much guess exactly what that film was going to be as soon as you read "JJ Abrams is directing a Star Wars film", and the film itself didn't really do anything outside of that initial conception. The Last Jedi does not do that. At all. And it's pretty great.
 
I watched it this morning, and I loved every last moment of it. Whilst Awakens was clearly derivative of New Hope, Last Jedi trod it's own path. I was surprised how much time Leia and Luke had, and was not disappointed. There were some genuinely touching, funny and awesome moments in it. Adam Driver's Kylo Ren got fleshed out a bit more, and his double act with Hux was pretty amusing. I am now warming wholly to Ren's character - she's less whiny than Luke and

The downsides? Just how did the Rebellion lost so much, so badly, to the point that the Resistance resembles a tiny amount of next to nothing? I know the point was to get to the end game where the younglings were stirred into believing towards the end, but it just made the Resistance look so feeble at times.

Snoke turned out to be a waste of time. Also the opening part where the Star Destroyers sit there doing nothing whilst the bombers targeted the lead ship was odd.
 
I liked it. I could have used less casino planet - if you can't fit Finn into the movie, don't contrive a lighthearted romp while the bulk of the good guys are living out 33, but I liked ReyLo a loooooot.

Gagh said:
The downsides? Just how did the Rebellion lost so much, so badly, to the point that the Resistance resembles a tiny amount of next to nothing? I know the point was to get to the end game where the younglings were stirred into believing towards the end, but it just made the Resistance look so feeble at times.
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TFA was super unclear on the geopolitics, but I think the idea is that Leia is leading a black ops operation that was operating without official sanction (but with a wink and a nod from the Senate) on the Outer Rim, so she never had a lot. The Starkiller destroyed the bulk of the Republic fleet, and what's left of the Republic forces are weak and divided.

Like, remember in TFA, the Resistance committed, what, a dozen X-Wings to the assault on the Starkiller, and that was pretty much all they could muster.
 
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I liked that they sent a call out for help and noone answered, it seemed like the mirror of the scene from rebels where they sent out a call and hundreds of ships arrived.
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
I liked it. I could have used less casino planet - if you can't fit Finn into the movie, don't contrive a lighthearted romp while the bulk of the good guys are living out 33, but I liked ReyLo a loooooot.


TFA was super unclear on the geopolitics, but I think the idea is that Leia is leading a black ops operation that was operating without official sanction (but with a wink and a nod from the Senate) on the Outer Rim, so she never had a lot. The Starkiller destroyed the bulk of the Republic fleet, and what's left of the Republic forces are weak and divided.

Like, remember in TFA, the Resistance committed, what, a dozen X-Wings to the assault on the Starkiller, and that was pretty much all they could muster.
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I think my main issue with this - is no matter how much they explain it, it completely underplays the Rebellion's achievements in the original trilogy. They're still fighting immeasurable odds, and all the sacrifices of the first 3 movies are for naught.
 
That's more a problem with The Force Awakens deciding to return to a Rebels Resistance vs. Empire First Order to push those nostalgia buttons, but being too scared to actually spend the time to explain how we got from the end of Return of the Jedi to where we are now, effectively ignoring the end of RotJ entirely.
 
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That's more a problem with The Force Awakens deciding to return to a Rebels Resistance vs. Empire First Order to push those nostalgia buttons, but being too scared to actually spend the time to explain how we got from the end of Return of the Jedi to where we are now, effectively ignoring the end of RotJ entirely.
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It would be nice if there are one or two standalone movies to explain that giant oversight, rather than plumbing the outskirts of already established storyline and/or characters.
 
Gagh said:
I think my main issue with this - is no matter how much they explain it, it completely underplays the Rebellion's achievements in the original trilogy. They're still fighting immeasurable odds, and all the sacrifices of the first 3 movies are for naught.
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Well I guess the people who fought in the trenches of WW1 thought the same when WW2 happened.
 
whisky said:
Well I guess the people who fought in the trenches of WW1 thought the same when WW2 happened.
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Yeah, but what didn't happen was them suddenly lose like 80% of their firepower, manpower, and influence across the world.
 
I don't really know how I felt about it. It was good, certainly not THE END OF STAR WARS like the weird backlash is saying, but I'm not sure if it was as good as the reviews were saying either. It looked beautiful. It had some of the best cinematography of any Star Wars movie. That spaceship explosion at the end was really arty. The "it's salt!" planet looked really cool. I liked that the action setpiecess went on a bit longer than TFA's. It certainly wasn't easy to predict how the plot would go, but I don't know if that was always good?

I get that the message, which they had stated by Yoda just so you got it (I liked that he did his crazy ESB laugh), was that you learn from failure and that's why Poe and Finn and Rose and Rey all failed in whatever they were doing...but I don't know if the characters actually learned that lesson? Poe maybe did but it was weird how Poe was resposible for getting so many people killed and yet Leia and Laura Dern were just like "oh that Poe, he sure is a hothead!" like it was no big deal then kind of put him in chrage at the end.

Mark Hamill is great. Daisy Ridley is very good and charming as Rey.

Leia flying didn't look as bad as people are saying. I got emotional at the "for our princess" thing in the credits.

Droid report: BB-8 had some good stuff. I hate that R2's whole role in the last two movies has been sleeping all the time and only waking up when the plot needs him.

I think I liked Finn more in TFA than here? Please keep Phasma dead she sucks.

The casino planet was a letdown for me because when I heard there was going to be an alien casino planet in this I thought "great, that'll look cool and hopefully have lots of crazy stuff in it!" And it didn't! At all! It was just an Earth casino with a couple of aliens in it...wearing human clothes. But I did like the ending with the stable boy so I guess that plot was necessary for that.

Hacker guy was annoying.

Kylo Ren still has the best character arc of any of the characters in these new movies, but he still felt a bit pathetic by the end. I wonder if there will be a big time jump between this and Episode 9 and he'll be all dark and badass in that.

I get what they were trying to do with Snoke...he's not that important and we don't need to know his whole backstory...but I feel like we needed to know a bit more? People are saying "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE EMPEROR IN ROTJ" and that's true, but we know he's the emperor of the galaxy and that's enough really. And we're nine movies in now so the context is different so I think we need to know something about the history of the First Order and how they got so powerful because we get really nothing here or in TFA. That's my biggest problem with these two movies: the universe still feels too small. The Republic was apparently just four planets (as opposed to thousands in the prequels) that got blown up and didn't notice the First Order rising and now the First Order apparently controls most of the galaxy (I guess?) but we don't SEE the First Order doing anything other than trying to kill rebels. Are they oppressing people? Maybe show it in the movies sometime? Imagine if you'd never seen the originals and didn't just think "oh they're just like the Empire" when you saw this because you don't know what the Empire was...I don't know. I just feel the world building's been really poor in both movies.

Plus Snoke just isn't scary or memorable, really. Ian McDiarmid had a far better evil old man voice than Andy Serkis, but I guess Serkis doesn't want to make him sound too much like Paplatine. And I don't get why he had to be mo-capped when he spends the whole movie sitting down (I know the reason is because he was mo-capped in TFA and they didn't actually plan ahead.) The fight with his guards was cool.

SAUSAGEMAN said:
Oh, I am beyond pissed that they killed off Laura Dern.
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She was manufactured for a purpose.
 
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So, the part where Rose stops Finn from sacrificing himself was a bit confusing, the way it played out. "We'll win not by destroying what we hate but saving what we love" (or whatever the exact quote is OKAY) is a great line, but it how did it fit in context with what was happening? Finn was trying to save everyone else by destroying the First Order's Death Star laser thingy, but Rose stopped him and declared her love for him (a love which really came out of nowhere that's another discussion!) So she's saying it's not worth thorwing lives away on hurting the First Order (like her sister did at the start of the movie) but literaly while she's saying this the gate protecting the Rebels is blowng open and they're all sure to die. She had no way of knowing a Force projectiion of the long thought lost Luke Skywalker was going to show up and save the day. So I'm sure it wasn't intended this way but it makes it look like she's fine with the rest of the Rebels dying as long as the guy she loves is fine, which is a bit selfish! And if the movie is taking an anti-suicide run stance, does that mean Holdo and Luke were wrong to sacrifice themselves?
 
Liea probably used another force power to swap bodies with Holdo, so that it really was Liea who sacrificed herself, but the force whammy she put on Holdo made her think she was Liea, and when that wears off in episode 9, Holdo will go back to looking like she used to.

Either that or Holdo will die off screen, and Liea, who is now in Holdo's body will turn out to have not died in the explosion, because lets face it, we know she can survive in space for a limited time now.
 
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