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Republicans hate the poor.

Which is all you seem to fixate on -- that small number of mythically evil people. So easy to demonize.

But answer the question -- how does your philosphy deal with an incapacitated veteran?
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
I really don't know how anyone can still hold to such beliefs with people like this acting as their standard bearers:
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That's a simple answer.

If it could stand up and scream "GOD, GUNS, ABORTION AND GAYS" loud enough, the simple minds on the right would vote for a rock.
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
Which is all you seem to fixate on -- that small number of mythically evil people. So easy to demonize.

But answer the question -- how does your philosphy deal with an incapacitated veteran?
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That answer was already implicit in the discussion. An incapacitated individual isn't defrauding the system. Such individuals are those the system is sold as benefiting. But there's nothing 'mythical' about generational welfare. Most defenders of welfare corruption try to defend generational welfare dependence -- pretending it doesn't even exist is a tactic I have to confess I've never seen before.
 
I never said it doesn't exist. You glossed over my response, which was simply this: Stop fixating on them and using them as an excuse to oppose government assistance in general, and just fix the system.

But it's not the only system that needs fixing. Until the working poor are no longer the working poor, chronic recipients of benefits have no work option to turn to without the risk of homelessness, family separation and even starvation. We aren't China. Our business leaders need to stop envying China. The point of America is that most jobs should earn its citizens a living wage. And Social Security should work, and it would work if it weren't continually sabotaged by Congress. Raise the income gap to something closer to the current economic levels, and stop poaching from it.

The common thread in all of these broken American systems is greed on the part of those who don't even receive the benefits, looking from the outside and feeling as if they are the victims somehow. Which is just plain evil.
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
I never said it doesn't exist. You glossed over my response, which was simply this: Stop fixating on them and using them as an excuse to oppose government assistance in general, and just fix the system.
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I don't oppose it in general. I oppose the fraud, waste, and abuse of the system. That's what needs fixed.
 
I don't think anyone is demoralizing, let alone criminalizing "the poor." That's an awfully broad brush. Acceptance of generational welfare, on the other hand, isn't solving it, either.
 
What's to try again? Is acceptance of it solving the problem? Is making poverty comfortable eradicating or even diminishing poverty?
 
Here's the solution -- get the government stranglehold the fuck off of business. Secure the border so that businesses can't cheat the system by employing illegal labor. Abolish the minimum wage so they won't feel like they have to cheat the system. Abolish the Federal Reserve and reset the value of the dollar.

Several things will happen simultaneously. Without a minimum wage pricing labor off the market, people will be hired. Without a black market labor source, Americans will be the people getting hired. Without a dollar that's lost 97% of its buying power, a much wider range of wages will actually be living wages.
 
I mean, I don't mean to overwhelm you here, but what's the endgame? The poor stay poor and dependent? The Democrats stay in power, because honestly, look -- under them the poor have stayed poor, and ranks of the poor have swollen if anything, so what's the answer? More self-reliance or more, "Oh, it's okay for you and your children and your grandchildren and your great-grandchildren to do nothing with your lives, you're on the ranch now, you're our cattle, but don't worry, we'll make sure everybody else takes care of you until they join you"?
 
Maybe it's as simple as this:

1. Secure the border. Less black market, illegal labor means more Americans can get hired in the first place.

2. Abolish the Fed and reset the dollar so that a dollar is actually worth a dollar again, instead of being devalued by 97%, which is the result of the Fed.

3. Abolish the minimum wage, since the minimum wage isn't a "living wage" anyway, so that more able bodied Americans can actually get hired in the first damn place and start working their way up.

4. Re-empower fatherhood in society. If it's true that men earn a dollar for every seventy-odd cents, doesn't it just make plain sense to impart the work ethic of men to sons?

I realize that not one of those ideas is politically palatable.

Ask yourself why. Ask yourself which ideology is so very, very obviously trying to sabotage success for future generations with that shit.

And then reject that ideology because of that attempt at societal sabotage.
 
Abolish minimum wage? Do you have any idea how many corporations would start paying even LESS than what's legally minimum? It'd be a return to the 19th century. The rich would become obscenely rich, the middle class would become poor, and the poor would become destitute.

Working their way up? That's got to be the most naively optimistic view... EVER. People in power don't like competitors, even if it's within their own business. They see any newbie who starts rising as a threat, and they will do everything in their power to neutralize that threat.

And considering what conditions are LIKE in Central America and Mexico, if those people are determined enough, they WILL find loopholes in the security that they can exploit. They're desperate to escape the hellholes of their current lives, and their own countries are so badly lacking that they'll look for anyplace better.

The plans you've suggested here are the steps to blasting away what remains of democracy, and fully replacing it with a corporatocracy.
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
Trusting corporations to act with integrity is the fatal flaw in every conservative plan.
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Unfortunately, this is true because corporations are run by people who have the fiduciary duty to make money for their stock holders - also people. The people at the top of the corporations are also strongly greedy and have the ways and means to get a big piece of the pie for themselves.
 
The Saint said:
So which do you want? A system that throws the leeches off, or a system that crashes and burns for everybody?
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Dude, the only ones that are causing our system to crash are the mufti-billionaires that want more, the mega corporations that think they don't owe any societal dues, Wall Street that launders the money to them and the conservatives that blindly believe in the system and continue to pass legislation and abolish regulations that allow it to happen and could prevent it from happening again.
 
Some useful and relevant videos, especially considering Sarek's post:
[video=youtube;k1kndKWJKB8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kndKWJKB8[/video]
[video=youtube;Fsk6oZm1EEA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsk6oZm1EEA[/video]
[video=youtube;1vcF5rebN20]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vcF5rebN20[/video]
[video=youtube;SIlnsP6AjP8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIlnsP6AjP8[/video]
[video=youtube;a_1IpUCUuVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_1IpUCUuVc[/video]
 
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